430MT vs. 430 Scuderia

Both fantastic cars. From a driving point of view, they are very different so it depends on what you enjoy; hardcore & trackdays or more leisurely, but spirited driving. I've driven my 430 Spider MT on track and it is very enjoyable (and demanding) but the Scud is really at home on track. Re future value, I suspect the Scud will do better, but both of them will hopefully keep their value (or at least most of it....).
Good luck with your search!


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Someone who owns both on FerrariChat said that if he had to keep one it would be the manual F430.
But of course, to each his own.
I think those cars are a lot different.
Both exceptional in their own way.
There were less manual F430 (Coupe & Spider) built than Scuderia (Coupe & 16M included).

 

Good luck buying either one hoping to make money out of it... just curious, was the 355 also bought as an investment ?
On the other hand, if you buy for driving pleausure, get a scud.

 

I own a 430 Spider MT. I did one of the launch drives of the Scuderia when new. The Scuderia was/is one of the best cars I have ever driven (I am a journalist and get to drive lots of cars.) Preferred it to a Speciale.
I also am a manual transmission obsessive and that steered me towards the car I bought in the end. It does feel softer than the Scud, of course, but it's still great fun and very fast. And more satisfying to drive than the Scud would be when you can't quite unleash it fully. I also wanted a Spider and could not afford a 16M.
I don't regret it. It's the easiest to operate and most cooperative of the gated manual Ferraris I own.
I also would guess the MT will hold its value/prove a better investment than the Scud, because 1) it's rarer and 2) it's the last manual mid-engined Ferrari ever made. The Scud is one of a line of similar cars, starting with the CS and ending at the moment with the Speciale.

 

I too like rowing my own gears from time to time, but I ended up buying a scuderia and a manual porsche. The scud is really the only paddle shifter car I've truly enjoyed.

 

I've had both and I kept the stick shift for the reasons already stated above: on the street, for me, its more enjoyable. I also think they will hold their value pretty well- last mid V8 with a stick shift from Maranello... No demerit to the Scud, its an incredible car.

 

I wonder if the rise in manual F430 values will continue as it has. Yes, they made very few F430s with manual transmissions, but there are lots of other manual Ferraris out there you can buy. I wanted a Ferrari with a gate (and some nostalgia) so I bought a 308. To me, a scud is a lot more special than a manual F430 and I can't help but believe scuds will be worth more than MT F430s years from now. Time will tell.

 

There's no comparison in my opinion: the Scuderia is in a different league. The huge reduction in unsprung weight means it rides better than the F430 and out handles it. The extra performance in all areas needs to be experienced to be fully appreciated because for some reason it was never relayed or fully appreciated by the media at the time. There are many other enhancements under the skin that equate to an F430 turned up a few notches.

My last F430 was manual and as great as they are they really are not on the same level as a Scud - it's just the current hype over manual cars has put them in a close price bracket.

 

Might be true in some markets, not true in the UK where numbers are known and recorded.


430 coupe manual - 129
430 coupe F1 - 731
430 spider manual - 128
430 spider F1 - 847
430 Scud - 165
430 16M - 53



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Interesting, do you have a source for that? (I would have thought the opposite, I'm a ~3000 scud/16M believer fwiw).

OP - drive them. The scud is a different animal and many who got them didn't like them (too raw, whatever). re "holding their value", who the heck knows. I think all cars that ran up a lot over the past 24 months are headed the other way at the moment. Both cars will do better than many modern ferrari's since they are both great cars and only available in relatively lower numbers than the regular paddle shift mid-engine V8s.

 

For the asking prices of 430 MTs, i think one is better off waiting for 2017 Manual Porsche GT3s (9000 rpm!). I personally think one would be crazy to pick a manual F430 over a Scud given the same price, mileage etc. The Scud offers so much more in experience and visual. Ive seen MTs go for as low as $115k before the hype and even then, I didnt care much for it. Scuds never went as low as $115k. Different times.. I know. Just saying.

And if Ferrari makes another manual, then what?

 

I did the same thing. I already owned a scuderia and I wanted to add a gated Ferrari to my stable. So I bought a 308 QV. Best of both worlds. A gorgeous piece of history and gated. I never considered a 430MT since I already have the scud. Btw I would never trade the scuderia for a 430MT even if I knew that the 430MT would double in price in the future compared to the scud.

 

OP - If return for your investment is important to you. Don't buy either. You could do much better elsewhere. The 430 MT is a much more versatile car. The Scud is a much better single purpose car. Figure out what's more important to you.

 

Not even in the same league.. this is personal preference over common sense IMO. The Scuds superfast F1 and overall experience are a driving experience that can't be replicated by any other car on earth. If a manual transmission is the one thing that gives you that experience, then go for it.. But to me there's no competition.

 

Agree 100% scud all the way - no brainier. Quite frankly I wouldn't want a manual 430 at all.

 

-1 for a 430 couple manual as I purchased an '07 back in '10 and shipped it to Malaysia where it has the rarity of being the ONLY manual coupe 430 (at least that I know of). Annoyingly, the insurance valuers refuse the acknowledge the higher value - sadly, i have totaled a 348 before! but I've been more careful (and wiser) with the 430 (rainy mode helps too!) I think pricing wise, I caught the market at a low (GBP 78k with 4k miles) although i sometimes wonder what it would've been had I bought an '02 Murcie (which was going for about the same as well then).

In my case, it was between a 360CS and 430MT. Back then, I had the suspicion that the CS would go up in value (and boy has it since!) and not once did I think the that rarity of a 430MT (and that Ferrari would no longer be producing MT mid-engine V-8s) would result in prices to go up.

The decision came to my wanting a less intense car with more road friendly transmission not to mention better if less aggressive looks (subjective obviously), nicer interior and of course that rainy day mode! After owning a 348, I wanted the 2nd gen of the same chassis (ie I was eyeing a 355 when I found myself in a position where I could afford a 430 instead).

Do I regret my purchase? From a financial perspective, sure. But from a driving pleasure perspective, I think I enjoy rowing the gears and modulating the throttle during a leisurely drive vs. full-attack mode in a CS. And as the financial angle, I don't think I would be selling the 430 in the foreseeable future (can't afford a new Ferrari anyway) so I guess it's academic anyway

 

I don't think the rise will continue at the same rate or perhaps it might not continue at all and maybe prices will come down a little. Its so hard to really know.

Yes we can expand the criteria to other Ferraris, but so can we expand it for the Scud too- there are other special edition Ferraris out there.

I think the manual 430s should hold up well because collectors and enthusiasts see its the end of the line for the stick shift with Ferrari. The Scud is special in its own way, but its also bracketed and you could say overshadowed by the CS (they say more special, though Im not sure I agree) and the Speciale (last NA V8)

So no one really knows, its all a shot in the dark, so make the best shot you can.

As to what if they make a new manual car- you will hear a lot of rejoicing from many people! But I don't think it likely.

 

Personal preference. Drive both. Decision will be simple afterward.

I have a 430 MT spider. The Scuderia is apparently a great car. People on here love it. I have never had the desire to possess one.

I have never driven a Scud but I would not trade my car for one.

 

How do you know? Maybe you should take your own advice and drive one.

 

I am in a fairly similar position , recently started thinking of moving up to a Scud or 430 MT.So this thread is very interesting.

I considered the 328/355 MT/360 MT but decided to stretch a bit further to go more modern for the Scud as a keeper (CS having long gone into the stratosphere) .

I have never previously owned/considered a paddle shift,but the Scud is something else for sure.Should also hold value pretty well in the long term.

However a 430 MT would also be a great choice for me.

In the end it will probably come down to the best condition/history etc.

With prices starting to cool off a little i will most likely hang on till after the US elections etc and see how the dust settles then.

(letting go of the 308 RHD after 25 years is also another tough decision!)

 

Not sure if you all are aware, but there is quite a bit of F1-to-MT conversions going on.

Part of this is because enthusiasts miss the gated manual and part of it is because prospectors are hoping glassy-eyed collectors won't notice the difference. And, in fact, there is very little difference. F1 and MT are very closely related and you can purchase genuine Ferrari parts to make the conversion to match a factory version almost perfectly.

For 360 and F430, it should be fairly straight forward and not too expensive. For 612 and especially 599, more expensive. I believe someone quoted dealers are getting 599s converted for around 60K USD, which is crazy expensive. I've seen 360 F1 to MT conversions for just 5K by someone who knows what they're doing.

Regardless, I would take a Scuderia over an MT any day - it's a seriously fierce car that is optimized for performance only. Essentially, race car for the road and a true limited edition car.

Of course, I would love to have an MT F430 as well - but I would never pay these ridiculous hyped prices - they are not worth it. If you're that desperate for MT, then just do the conversion for a fraction of the cost. The only way someone can tell the difference, is by the original build sheet.

 

Scuderia (like the CS) is not an LE car.

 

I would take a Scuderia over any F430 MT any day.

 

I'm a manual guy too but honestly don't think manual 430s are worth their asking prices. Drive both and see what you like but my vote would be on the Scuderia.