Whats with Ferrari and bogus HP numbers?

Thank you so much John, you have a wonderful collection!!! I actually plan to be in London next year - it's always nice to see all the cool cars across the pond when I'm there.

Drive in good health!

 

Fair request. I think 04g deserves to know exactly what was "discovered" that discredits him.

YLSHIH, since you rightfully scrubbed the discriminating info that identifies 04g, is it possible to PM it back to him for review/confirmation/dispute?

 

The info I scrubbed was correct (city, state, first name) as they matched the info on the DL that 04g submitted to me.

The remainder of Paul's assertions are in the post and untouched.

 

As I understood it, the wager turned on whether you owned the Porsche Turbo, Lamborghini Gallardo and Ferrari 458 that was claimed. Who paid for the cars is a new element and was not part of the original wager. To keep things simple I suggest that this new element be treated separately from the original wager, whether it is just a point of discussion or a new wager is up to you two.

BTW - I've run the Porsche VIN reported on the title through a VIN decoder and it comes back as a 2008 TT, so whatever the reason that the title shows it only as a Carrera, the VIN decoder shows it as you represent it.

 

Trying to determine an engine's actual max HP output using a drag race is a pretty poor way of doing it, too many variables to factor out.

The way Ferrari rates their engines is pretty much known, in some cases the actual qualification tests have been presented by Ferrari.

Real world track times are out there as well, often presented by the owners themselves. The actual performance of these cars is known.

-F

 

totally agree and I'm glad you brought that up.

Are all performance specs (Ferrari or not) obtained according to the same standards and specifications? Is their a regulatory council that overlooks this? I'm talking everything down to something as trivial as how the car is weighed.

 

Things have evolved over the years, most European brands are using PS or CV to measure engine HP output and the process to measure that is known and standardized.

But I do believe there are actual differences in how the number is actually measured (different tools used, perhaps variations in technique) which can result is slight variations across different manufacturers.

I don't know if Europe has a standardization agency which takes on the task of actually rating the output of high performance vehicles.

-F

 

ARRRGGGGHHHH . . .

I'm back in.

Just wondering why you care, even the tiniest little bit, about whether anyone here believes you. Why you'd bother to take more pictures etc. to prove you're not fibbing.

At this point, if I was the target of this who ha. . . I'd pack my stuff and walk away from the entire lot of us, saving my energy for whatever other fun stuff you do with your day.

Look, I get it, Ferrari isn't your favorite brand, maybe the tractor guys make a car you like more, or the Germans make your favorite car, or whatever, but it's not Ferrari, that's for sure.

I'm not a big fan of Toyotas, particularly the Prius, and I can guaran-damn-tee you that I spend ZERO time at the PriusChat.com site. I have no desire to bait them into long winded comparisons with the Chevy Volt or Nissan Leaf. Yet here you are, slamming Ferraris, wondering why another brand is faster, and wondering why we'd waste our cash on slow as molasses Eye-talian cars.

So, why not just toddle off? Why continue to engage?

Just wonderin'.

D

 

^^^

not speaking for 04g in any way but would you walk away from a barrage of accusations that "may be" completely false? I certainly would not. I'd take the opportunity to clear the air of any misunderstanding, restore my credibility and then gladly **** off.

 

IMO someone like 04g can never have any credibility because his initial posts were obviously trolling and insulting. He can own a LaFerrari and will always be considered a jerk here.

 

I don't give a flip what you have, what you do or what you say.
You've offered up plenty of evidence as to the sort of person you are and I doubt anyone cares what you own or don't anymore. Frankly, if you do own these cars, you are giving those owner groups a bad name with your adolescent behavior. You've made no friends here that I can see so perhaps pick up the clue phone and amuse yourself elsewhere.
Photoshop wizard, eh? You've an answer for everything
Nepal? Can't say I blame her.

 

Exactly. Not sure why the mods have allowed the trolling and insults to grow into this mess. Should have been banned quickly. He wants this place to be like all the other ugly chat sites. F-chat has been more civilized and less juvenile, in large part due to the moderation. Given that mods have been involved in this thread along, I'm sure I'm wrong and they disagree with me.

 

Because my old revered friend, some of us continue to feed his disease. He is mentally ill and is best left to himself.

 

haha,

"04g" I already said I withdrew my wager because if it takes you 3 days to do what I just did now in 5 min now...well....I would argue chicanery may be involved.

I already know you have access to multiple exotic cars, events, and friends.. (just not yours necessarily) - so no need to set my self up.

Besides, you're still the missing the point...I already conceded to you that I believe you own all 3 cars. Some people called my self and others out for not taking you seriously. My main my point (as well as other here, is not the legitimacy of your question) but the approach you took in asking it.

Do I need again to repost where you continually insulted and berated people starting at post #8?

Btw! I got second place!

Woot!
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Congrats, Paul
Your minion, Ross

 

Oh come on guys. We have plenty of resident jerks. Some of your Butt hurt responses and fight/flee reactions read like teenage girls fighting. This spat wouldn't even Break the top 20 for the year. Guy probably didn't make the best impression but you have to admit it has been entertaining. There are a few threads that come to mind where rush to judge made some look very foolish.

 

no need to prove anything (even if we all have to wait 'Monday')

I already conceded he is right and I am wrong on all his points:
1) He owns all the cars he states
2) Ferrari are slow
3) His Porsche is the fastest car in the world.

So no need to prove what I already granted him as truth.

Now as far as if he was treated with respect or dignity, it seems that is the subjective question that has divided some opinions here. From what I observed myself, the first shot fired where the proper 'decorum' and 'civility' was thrown out the window was post #8 where he said:

Again, I don't know what thread those people that want to side with the troll are reading.

hmm...I wonder what would happen if I go to Porsche/Lambo/McLaren forum and as my third post - I say what he said above with Ferrari replaced with the applicable brand?

 

You're right Kim,

Thanks for adding some mature perspective. The more we feed the troll - the fatter he becomes.

Cheers

 

A jerk, fine but not a liar. Hell I've been accused of worse things than a jerk around here but a liar, no way. Also, if he does indeed own and actually tracks these beasts, why not give him the credit of knowing what he's talking about. I don't personally know anyone who has the luxury of walking into their stable, selecting a prized piece of machinery at his disposal, take it to the track and thrash the living hell out of them. THEN, comes to a car forum and reports back his findings. Jerk or no jerk, he brought up a pretty interesting topic from his personal experience that has even me perplexed......and I'm an engineer for ****s sakes.

All I say is, if it all checks out, then it absolutely does matter what he thinks about the performance of competing supercars. At least if I were Ferrari, I'd be paying close attention to those prospective buyers with the means and experience to discern one products performance against the other. After all, Ferrari is all about making money selling cars to fund their racing.

 

Sorry Paul, to be fair, the OP deserves an opportunity to objectively restore his reputation beyond any doubt since this thread is and will remain public.