Whats with Ferrari and bogus HP numbers?

Why be sorry? I already said he's right and I'm wrong. I can't stop what additional proof or non-proof he brings.

I was ready to put this to bed until he demanded we all apologize to him. Here I'll do that too: Xxxx, I'm sorry to have doubted you. You are the fastest , richest, most legit guy in the world...and I'm just a maggot.

There you go!

What additional proof he provides (and how long it takes) is strictly for his own contentment.

I do know when Ben was challenged, this was the comedic result.

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This is why I rarely post on FChat anymore...a person posts a simple and obvious question for discussion.
Then what follows is:
1. A few answer the question as it was intended...btw, the minority.
2. A few decide to try and be funny, impressing their invisible readers with their amazing wit.
3. A few try to deconstruct the question to again try and impress their invisible readers with their obviously superior intellect.
4. A few are angry and try to derail everything to make up for their pathetic lives.
5. A few are just too damn dumb to understand the question.

If standing around as a group discussing the question the #2 people above would get a roll-the-eyes and slight smirk from a few in the group...#'s 3-4 would be told to shut up and go away.
If the #5 person is nice and well-liked, generally the group takes pity on the #5 and patiently tries to keep rephrasing the question dropping down ~10 IQ points in content with each attempt until hitting the right level.


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come on man, the stench of sarcasm is pretty rife

PS. does your admittance mean you pay up or is that already nullified by your prior withdrawal from the wager? Something tells me that you're starting to doubt yourself and I don't mean that "apology" above. But then I thought your sleuthing and publishing of personal information, which i did not see BTW, already resolved that. I'm very

PSS. I'm not sure who determines whether you're still in or not. Can be argued either way.

1. One one hand you were IN until YOU discovered that "his dad bought him the 911" and that the other cars were not his. I'm not even going to ask you how you came to that conclusion.

2. On the other hand, 04g challenges your discovery by taking the opportunity to present more compelling evidence which we can all agree he has the right to do. That IMO overrides your selective withdrawal.

Apologies if I'm now steering the topic way off course but I'm doing so to bolster the case I made above, that is, if 04g does indeed own and tracks these vehicles, then he must be given some credit for knowing what he's talking about when he says something is fishy with Ferrari's performance numbers.

BTW, Congrats on taking 2nd prize but you know, if 04g had a Mondial, it would cream yours....just kidding

 

I have noted test weight of the f12 as 3800 lbs. I think what we need is a test of 150 to 200 . On another note I am going to dyno my 599 and post the results. My Boxer ser#27553 is 311.
at the wheels. That is close to 360 which is the factory rating. I don't call this bogus.

 

I fired back. Look, you came in here, to a club if you will, and immediately began hurling insults and name calling. Even the title of your thread is provocative, and I think deliberately so. You're no victim so please.
I have nothing to offer "on topic" that hasn't already been said so enjoy your 15 min.
Good bye

 

Well said. 👏


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Your memory must be crap. Go back and look at page 1 and 2. You are the one who started this and launched the first attacks with insults and condescending remarks.

 

I'd avoid the conflict in the first place.

I'd stay out of a forum where I don't like what they're talking about, or how they go about their business instead of trolling the forum with the posts like he did.

Perfect example? I don't go into P&R here. Went so far as to have Rob remove my access. Why? I fundamentally disagree with the opinions of about 90% of the guys in there, and got tired of folks dumping **** and stalking smack about any position I took. Didn't matter what the position was, the assumption was that it was wrong, based on my political leaning.

Same rule applies here. Look at my Prius example.

If I couldn't help myself, and I trolled into a forum for fun and adventure, then at some point I'd admit it and walk away. There's a point of zero return, he's there now.

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So true.

 

Go back and read yourself. Post #3 is yours and your first condescending comment and #8 ia also yours and your first insult.

 

Wanna fight? Start a TR price projection thread

No one their is accused of trolling because they are owners or they come with data or they make a convincing argument. Nonetheless, always a sense of tension.

The OP here made an unpopular but valid claim based on his experience. Came as an owner*, with data and admittedly, a bit of mouth. Yada yada yada, his "technical" claims have taken a back seat to his credibility as an owner. Two mutually exclusive issues yet after about 20 pages, we can condense discussion of the topic at hand down to probably one page at best.

I hear ya about the P&R ****hole. Haven't posted for about a year for the same reasons as yours. The difference with P&R however is that:

1. It's private, and
2. You know what you're gonna get

 

HAHA...I must fit into category number 5 as I am apparently dumb enough to keep looking at this train wreck.

04g, why is it taking you so long to post proof that you own a 458? I'm not convinced that you came here simply to troll, although I can certainly see how others would see it this way. You threw out the first insults and when others responded in kind, things went downhill very fast.

You posted early on in this thread that you were disappointed in the performance of "your" 458. If that really is your reason for starting this thread then I can understand that and would not consider you to be a troll. Post proof that you actually own a 458 and it will increase your credibility(at least with me). On the other hand, if you do not own a 458(or any Ferrari for that matter) then I would agree with most of the others that you are simply here trolling.

Again, why is it taking you so long to post proof of 458 ownership???

 

Sam, your post is a fair one, and your critique has merit. I told Yin a few moments ago the wager stands, and I am happy to defer to his impartial judgement.

So.

04g, again . Ball squarely in your court.

Let's just finish this thing.

 

Must be the gas.

 

I just received $500 from Paul via Paypal and I am holding it for the winner of this wager.

Traditionally 04g should do the same so that the full wager can be held for the benefit of the prevailing party. However, it's not clear to me if Paul waived that or not?

 

waived.

 

Going to back to the beginning it would seem you made this personal at post #20 and it ramped up from there. Nice ..
And if you go back and read the first page he readily admits to a provocative title . Think you might need to reevaluate your stance.

 

FWIW, when Road & Track tested the F12 they stated it was the quickest rear wheel drive ever and achieved a 1/4 in 10.9 seconds and reached 170 in 22.4 seconds. These numbers where achieved on Michelin PSC 2 tires.

Yes, there's always the question about a ringer car.

But the numbers are what they are and Road & Track made the claim that they did.

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Yeah, I looked at the numbers..great job btw.

You only ran you F12 3 times. The other two 911s ran them 28 times between them (almost ten times more runs!) You still beat them 17/28 times!

That's great and doesn't comport with the original argument. So personal or not. I mean data is data.

It would be interesting how the TDF performs - more power and less weight is always a formula for success.

Cheers
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3 Runs only vs 28. (Still had a 60% beat rate with 1/10 the attempts) Not bad if you ask me. BTW I took out an R8 because it had an anomaly in one run. I mean Naseem, these are your numbers so you can vouch if the data above is false.

I argue based on a person that actually 'clocked' the very numbers in dispute by 04G (and is participating in this very thread, I mean that's as ' real' world as it gets right?)

...the original thesis is hyperbolic.

 

When I get my computer back, I'm going to run some statistical analysis to determine if there is a "significant" difference between these vehicles. Statistically significant is regarded MEAN + 2 sigma.

 

The topic has many many threads already existing. We have had this discussion many times.

Doesnt mean we cant have it again, but also doesnt mean we should have it with someone that shows up and acts like a complete *****.

Have you gone back to read his posts ?

You dont show up in a new place and act like that. Sorry if Im old fashioned but i believe in showing the residents of any place, real or internet, some initial respect.

He showed up like a teenager taunting and poking. He is the definition of the modern internet troll. Thats a non-starter in my world, i dont care if he is Fn Lewis Hamilton.

Do we really want people like that here ? I dont.

We can get rid of him and continue the conversation without him. He isnt the only person here that tracks cars.

 

haha - I mean I just want to cover all bases. We got the wager part done...so he can't make accusations of people 'backing out'

So I thought hey, you now what? - he's right about one thing...I was so convinced that he was a troll, I never in good faith looked at the first post and gave it a 'fair shake.'

So I went to: https://shift-s3ctor.com/

All the data right there, and it is in contradistinction to what the OP claimed.

I mean that was the original point of this thread in the right?

Why is Ferrari at the BOTTOM of their class at Shift S3ctor?

I used results from 04Gs preferred racing organization (Shift S3ctor) I picked an event where we had 04Gs vehicle of choice (the 911t) and to top it off, I used an example of a Ferrari driven from an active participant of this very thread! ("exoticdreamers")

I think it was a fair and respectful rebuttal.

Cheers

P.S. I now argue, the TDF would exceed the regular F12 (it has more power and less weight) and if *that* was run would probably slot right under the P1, 918, and Veyron.
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Porsche turbo s was tuned. A lot of the cars are tuned that aren't exotics . I was there for two days and it doesn't look like they recorded all the runs. I know I did five runs in the f12 and more then three in p1. The Mclaren 650 and huracan numbers are off too. I did state that f12 had a high of 163 but that seemed to be an aberration from the other runs so I discounted that result.

There are a lot of vids on YouTube from bayarearacing and individual owners on their FâCeBôôk pages. The other f12 in the last California event never broke 160 and he went up against the aventador a few times (he's also a veteran of these types of events).

I really expected f12 to be a lot faster then what it was. Was this a big disappointment ? Not really . I still enjoy the car but still makes one wonder about all these official tests when we don't get the same results in our own cars. Huracan has a little more hp then a soeciale and a lot less then a 650. Speciale isn't competitive in straight line with huracan but huracan is fairly even with 650.

Most important thing is that we all had fun though .


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