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  1. ForTax

    ForTax Karting

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    I was able to check both solenoids and compare the ohms one side is 20 ( the good side) the other is 47ohms no good more than twice the recommended.. I am sure this is the problem....
     
  2. 360+Volt=Prius

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    Good work Roger. Can't wait to hear the final outcome! I'm surprised this wasn't picked up any of the visits to sd2/3 during the diagnostic process. Let us know how that tool works and maybe take pics.


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  3. mike32

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    You can go back to the ferrari garage that did not have a clue and show them up if this cures it.
    If u r going to change the water pump, be sure to plan how to refit it, i did one on a mondial but i put the stub hoses onto the wrong bit first, had to take it out and start again. Not easy with the plenum in situ.
     
  4. ForTax

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    So just like to thank everyone for their input, the car is now fixed :) after like 3months 4 shops and some sleepless nights it's all fixed, the cam variator solenoid was the fix in the end...

    Thanks again
     
  5. 360+Volt=Prius

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    Roger, Glad to hear it. What tool did u end up using to remove the solenoid?


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  6. 24000rpm

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    my experience:
    1. the solenoid will show good omh values while still faulty!!!
    2. swap sides and see if code swaps as well
    3. replace solenoid, not expensive, only hassle is that the RH solenoid will require that you remove the PS pump a little.
    4.. tool for removing solenoid: make one! or its expensive. Even the shipping cost overseas will be more expensive than you make one yourself by modifying a socket.
    5. factory tool for removing solenoid is assuming your engine is outside the car. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE TO LET YOU FIT IT IN THERE if you want to do it in-situ
     
  7. Chrispy300

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    Great news!! So pleased you got it worked out...
     
  8. 360HB

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    Can you post a photo of a "modified socket" tool?

    Thanks.
     
  9. ForTax

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    #234 ForTax, Sep 27, 2016
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  10. mike32

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    Obviously made with love. You need to frame that .
     
  11. I'm 360 Canuck

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    I love a happy ending!
     
  12. mike32

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    Bit off a box spanner and a bit of pipe welded onto it ? I bet a few cans of fosters were opened on getting car running ok
     
  13. ForTax

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    Drive the car today and I have the same problem :( I think I may have to change the variator on the end of the cam.. It was fine for the first 2 drives...

    I think I hate cars!!!!
     
  14. ForTax

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    It is pulling timing out when you try to blip the throttle :( and sounds sluggish
     
  15. mello

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    Hang in there. You can't give in! We're all rooting for you!
     
  16. 360+Volt=Prius

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    +1


    how long was it normal for before it gave you problems again?

    did you reset the ECU?

    Can you get it back on the scanner, are there any new codes?
     
  17. ForTax

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    Yeah I rest the ecu... I will have to get it scanned again :(
     
  18. fastradio

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    By resetting the ECUs, you specifically did it through the SD 2?
    Also, I've asked several times about the engine parameters that SD2 is giving you....Have you or your shop looked at the bank to bank cam timing numbers and see how they compare at idle and at a specific rpm?
     
  19. ForTax

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    If you rev it slowly the timing climbs steady... It you rev it fast (blip the throttle) the timing retards to -8 to -10 or so then climbs to + numbers as it revs up
     
  20. fastradio

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    Good data point. Is it just one side that exhibits that behavior? Please clarify; is it the ignition timing or cam timing that is being retarded? Another item to check is the knock sensors. I believe the the SD can plot timing functions. See what they're doing and go from there.
     
  21. Andy 355

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    So by pushing the clutch in, still remedy the fault??
     
  22. Sean F.

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    I think this has been mentioned but it almost sounds like the ASR is kicking in and retarding everything b/c it thinks there is wheel spin. Didn't you also have an issue with the ABS?
     
  23. 24000rpm

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  24. ForTax

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    It's ignition timing and the knocks sensors also show activated (on) when this is happening I don't know if it's the knock sensors causing the timing to retard or is it the variator not working properly causeing the knock sensor to think there is something wrong And regarding the timing
     
  25. ar4me

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    Pinging/knocking would usually happen under heavy load, not light load like free rev'ing... No? Perhaps a faulty knock sensor...? or, switched connectors...
     

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