it is residing in one of the Scandinavian countries... it was displayed in Italy during the Lamborghini 50th Anniversary I'm standing next to Patrizia and #112.1164 at La Fiorita, the family vineyard ! Image Unavailable, Please Login
Well OF COURSE this is 110% correct....HIS Countach is the ULTIMATE one to own as well as HIS Miura SV would be.. you can never repeat a vehicle owned by the first and all original creative mind of the brand that he put his name to.
I did, just today in fact, and here is what Valentino tells me about 1121164: "Originally Red, Black interior, SEA Roma, April 14th 1980". The production list affirms that the car was originally red, so I'm afraid the burden is on you to prove the 'story' that this car originally left the Sant Agata production line finished in white, since you are the one asserting this. I should tell you that this car is widely-known in the Lamborghini community to have originally been a red car, so, from that point of view, its provenance is not clear. Until someone posts a document to prove otherwise, Raymond, myself & all others besides, have every right to believe a production document over a story. The story doesn't add up anyway, because, if, as you claim, the original order to the "Rome" customer was cancelled, why was the car still registered in Rome rather than Bologna like his other cars? FWIW, I do not think it is necessary to come on here and admonish Raymond in such a harsh one, he made a claim, simply come on here and make a counter-claim with supporting documentation. For example, when you said you have never seen a factory document that describes a Miura as "Rosso-Arancio", I simply posted a scan of an official Lamborghini document as proof that name was used with 3 simple words: Here you go In the same spirit, if you can prove this car was originally painted white, let us have the proof. Lastly, I think every Countach owner can say their Countach or any Countach is the Ultimate Countach, and in a subjective discussion they have every right to do this. Its a personal thing. For me personally, even Ferruccio's Countach cannot possibly be the Ultimate Countach, because it doesn't have the ultimate and most powerful Countach engine, nor does it have a special color. That's my point of view. And I'm sticking with it
+1 I just went out to the garage and checked... sure enough, I have the best Countach! ;-) Mike Image Unavailable, Please Login
The 1985 London Motorshow Countach Downdraft, originally Rosso Speciale, a real shame its no longer in its Motorshow livery! Or is it the same car? Same registration but the yellow car has the Series 2 engine cover. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Sure. From the 22 RHD LP400, 8 of them were converted to LP400S: #1120074 = full LP400S body kit + Lolita wheels + periscope roof refilled flat (what a shame!) #1120122 = full LP400S body kit + Bravo wheels >> Now restored back to LP400 spec #1120228 = crashed when new and rebuilt as a LP400S at the factory in 1980. #1120260 = Wolf/Dallara S look-alike kit + Bravo wheels >> Now restored back to LP400 spec #1120262 = full LP400S body kit molded/smoothed to the body by Al Mardikian + removable roof (targa) + Bravo wheels + changed to LHD >> Now restored to LP400 spec (keeping it LHD) #1120264 = full LP400S body kit + Bravo wheels >> Now restored back to LP400 spec #1120272 = Wolf/Dallara S look-alike kit + BBS wheels >> Now have LP400S kit molded/smoothed to its body + Countach wheels + single-mount rear wing >> Still being used as a race car (for the past 40 years) #1120278 = full LP400S body kit + Bravo wheels > Now restored back to LP400 spec Only #1120228 and the race car #1120272 are known to me looking LP400S. I'm not sure how is #1120074 nowadays, maybe still a LP400 "S", maybe discreetly under restoration. I don't know. FYI, some other RHD LP400 got some minor "upgrades" at some point in their lives: #1120026 had a rear wing during the early/mid 1980s #1120146 received a hideous Japanese Wolf/Dallara S look-alike kit (keeping its original wheels) in 1977 and kept it for a couple of years #1120204 had a rear wing during the 1980s #1120226 got Lolita wheels with large tires
Joe, At 1st, I didn't harsh, I started by saying I was sorry... We all know Valentino... no doubt about what I wroted and declared in my previous post that reached what he confirmed you today... Yes, I could have save your time, here is the scan of the Delivery list for LP 400 S... in case you don't have it... and because I mentionned it in my previous post, Nothing is burned... I will say that you & Raymond don't represent the Lamborghini Community, thanks God why it is a Forum then ? It is not true that this car is widely-known in the Lamborghini community to have originally been a red car , that's what you would like us to believe !!! Let's have a talk about the people who confirmed me it was white : Teresa (last Ferruccio's compagnion from 1969 up to 1993), Patrizia Lamborghini, Ubaldo Sgarzi, Tonino Lamborghini, and of course some détails on the factory production sheet (that nobody can show here)... don't you think these witnesses have more weight than just the confirmation of a reading of the Delivery list, that I mentionned (again) ??? For me it speaks much better with witnesses because they were there, not you, not Raymond, not me... But, I will also mention that you know like me the current owner - probably reading this - so you & Raymond are free to contact him, will you have that courage ? in the meantime, please stop saying rumors about that specific car ! I only agree with you on this : "the Ultimate Countach is a subjective discussion"... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Word-of-mouth by people who say they recollect that the car was white as they know it is one thing, but it doesn't explain why the factory's own production register documents it was red. Your sliver of a photo only supports the position that it was built in red, as noted by the factory itself. That said, if as you say there are some details on the factory production sheet that prove it was built in white, it would behoove the owner and anyone who believes this to be the case to post that information here in full transparency. Why the veil of secrecy? Such a historic car deserves clarification if it exists.
Very nice in yellow. Good plate as well. Looks like it might be in need of some new rear tyres soon. Maybe they're holding out for the new batch of P7's
What is the story on the red QV I saw at the 'other' Lamborghini museum? I recall it being in the old location (Dosso) as well. I also attach last week's photo of my LP5000S finally getting the proper restoration it deserves, courtesy of Mr. B. It's fascinating to visit your car mid-project and see what resources and knowledge are available to those who worked on them originally. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I wrote & show in my 1st post that it was red, so don't try to melt the mud where there is no... This is one more mystery among numerous others that you & many others have already pointed on FChat Forums... so don't believe you will find the answer into the Public, like finding mushrooms in the forest ! What is for sure, at 100% is that you never read its individual production file at factory, because you never had the opportunity so far and I wish you to have the occasion. You may know also that since many period production documents have been stolen or "disappeared" , now the factory managed to secure these documents and few people have access to them. Ask the factory to clarify what you can't prove either with a red color... How many cars have been recorded with a color they never have ??? this is not the 1st time, and you know it too. You tried to mix the Miura posts about the "Rosso/Arancio" color, again, it is not because one car got that clarification that it means you can generalised all Miura painted with "Rosso Miura" are also "Rosso/Arancio"... My suggestion : go and buy the car... then with a proof of ownership you will be able to ask for a copy of that productionsheet to Polo Storico... or even better : you can bring it to the factory and ask to look at the original individual file. Again, it is not true that this car is widely-known in the Lamborghini community to have originally been a red car , because you have no evidence to show us : no book, no magazine, no picture of the car delivered at SEA in red, no picture of a previous speudo owner with the car in red, no title on somebody else's name. Nothing in fact, just rumours and a handwritten Countach delivery list (that many people know and use, like Valentino, myself and others) ! And about the reason why the car was registered at Roma instead of Bologna is not proving anything because Ferruccio was living at Panicarola in Ombria. Only 1 fact : Ferruccio Lamborghini is the sole/unique owner of #112.1164 as he was the only one to have registered it personnaly (nobody else) whatsoever is the reason of why in Roma.
A sweet little story concerning the white Countach that once belonged to Ferruccio, told to me by its present owner. Gino Donatella was born and raised by Italian parents in Gothenburg, Sweden. Once visiting relatives in Italy he asked his father to take him to Lamborghinis vineyard for a chat with Il Commendatore. - Why do you think Signore Lamborghini would be interested in talking to a longhaired teenager from Sweden, the father asked Gino, but when they arrived at the vineyards the gates opened and Gino was picked up by an employee in a small truck. After an hour or so, a white Countach drove up to the gates and Gino opened the right hand door, got out and waved at the driver, Ferruccio himself, and went back to his waiting father. - Father, one day I will have such a car. - Stop dreaming, go home to Sweden, cut your hair and get a decent job, his father replied. Some twenty years later the old father was living at a nursing home, but one afternoon when he felt clear enough Gino took him out for a ride in a white Lamborghini Countach. - Father, do you remember when I told you that I once would get a Lamborghini Countach. Now I have one, and what´s more, it´s the very special one Ferruccio Lamborghini took me for a ride in! <removed OP request> Regards, Lars-Erik
Ägaren av #1121164 kommer inte att bli speciellt glad över att hans namn och reg.nummer finns skrivet på detta forum. Spelar ingen roll att det finns många här som vet vem som äger bilen. Du vet väl att ägaren INTE vill ha massa publicitet.
Wow Victor I am astounded at your records and thank you so much for this info it is interesting and gives some perspective on the history of LP400's and i did not know so many where converted nor that so many had been returned back to LP400 spec. I have a feeling that i am the only one on this thread who cannot retain the chassis number of my car even after 20 years, I always have to go look at the car or logbook as we call it in the UK, so how you manage to record and keep all this info is beyond me . Thank you.
Tjena grabbar. Provkørde en 86 qv hos Lasse jønson Porsche i Karlstad ca 1988. Lasse tog 86 an i byte(rød) på en ny 88 1/2 hvit. Kunden kom i från Gøteborg och var ursprunglig Italienare. 86 an jäg ville køpe var änvand til och frän italian flera ganger. (Jag bor i Usa och har en Countach i presis samma farg som bilen jag kørde i Karlstad rød/hvit.) bara nyfiken om Agaren på dom har bilane fortfarande ar Lamborghini Aägare och var bilane er idag. Tack så mycket
Hi Joe - Yes that is the same car, the original owner sadly crashed it when it was only a few years old while racing his brother and another person late at night. The car was then sold off and then taken off the road for several years (some say well over 10 years) as it was being rebuilt. And in the picture you posted above, that's me with the big head and awful '80s glasses (laughing), that picture was taken in 1988 shortly before I went almost 120-130 mp/h, which at the time was the fastest I had ever been in a production - talk about memorable!! I prefer the original color to be honest and hope the car is finished now and being driven.
Sorry Mike, Just looked outside, and I have the bestest! ) Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
The accuracy of the Urraco hand written lists is highly questionable and there are many anomalies, especially for colours. I have no doubt that the same applies to the Countach.
Same with the Miuras. However, I have learned that there usually is no smoke without fire, and in most cases the color written down was actually the color the car was built in, except that the color was changed again post-production and not noted.
Why not? Is the car not seen in public, at the Museo, showing its registration, and in a magazine seen driving on public roads? I don't get the veil of secrecy surrounding this car, but perhaps I'm missing something here...