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2016 Petronas Malaysian GP Raceday **Spoilers**

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  1. william

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  2. william

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    Maybe you haven't understood the gravity of the occasion.

    This GP, was the Malaysian GP, sponsored by Petronas, Mercedes ' main sponsor. Even the podium was festooned with Petronas flag everywhere. There was plenty of Petronas management and dignitaries in the Mercedes garage, invited in anticipation of yet another victory.

    Mercedes which has dominated this season failed lamentably in front of its sponsor, by not being able to present them with a 1-2 victory, and not having one of its drivers on the highest step of the podium.

    It's the ultimate humiliation for Toto Wolff, and no wonder he took his head in his hands. When Rosberg spun and was relegated to the back, it was a setback, but when Hamilton's engine blew, it became a catastrophe.
     
  3. maulaf

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    You might be right with your interpretation.
    However, keep in mind that some people see an ongoing care of Toto for Hamilton that doesn't appear towards Rosy. That is Sid's perspective, not a once off observation.

    I see that too. I think Hamilton is like a F1 tyre. He needs the right environment and is rather sensitive to the conditions. As apparent today, he is in the best car by miles but sniffs a conspiracy if it fails. Toto nurtures Hamilton because he knows damn well that he can't have 50% of his drivers implode. Rosberg doesn't get all that attention because he doesn't need it. Just my thought, might be wrong and we are all seeing it wrong or Toto just is biased towards Hami.
     
  4. william

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    I might be right, or I might be wrong, but that's the way I as it.

    Also, Mercedes is in big, big money. Every point collected in the WCC bring them more redistribution fund at the end of the year.

    We may think about winning the WDC and the WCC as just something to obtain, but for a team principal who thinks about his budget, every point its drivers collect is money for the next year. This is why they don't relax, even when unassailable, because there are always more points to collect.
     
  5. TurboFreak650

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    #230 TurboFreak650, Oct 2, 2016
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    The best part of today was when the crowed ROARED its approval when Hambone blew up. :D

    Second was Rosberg's Hollywood movie style recovery from his scary spin at turn 1, and his determination that delivered him to the podium. Don't stop believin'. :cool:
     
  6. TurboFreak650

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    Even that is not as satisfying as Elton's tears, however. :cool:
     
  7. PowerSlide

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    watching the replay at youtube of the engine blew up and louis screaming NO NO it's even better :D
     
  8. P.Singhof

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    I have not seen the race...what I read out of all the comments apparently Lewis has bad luck today and no WDC should be decided this way but for some reasons Lewis seems always to have some luck in unlucky Moments....when he starts from the back he gets some accidents and safety cars to help him and his engine fails when Nico has Problems as well and he is not loosing the full 25 points.
    He should be aware that things could be much worse by now....He could be out of the race of the WDC by now as well

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  9. tervuren

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    Max was in complete control of his car at Spa, and made the corner with room for two cars on his outside. Spa was all about Vettel diving in like he was the only car on the track. Max and Kimi wouldn't of crashed if not for Vettel, and Kimi and Vettel would probably of *STILL* crashed if not for Max.

    Ay Malaysia, it looks like Vettel tried to out break a Red Bull, and with how amazing I've seen the Red Bull under brakes at T1, it was an error of judgement to choose a braking point later than the Red Bull, as both the Ferrari and Mercedes seem inferior under hard limits of braking compared to Red Bull.

    Vettel is in a similar position to when Senna left Mclaren, a past world champion trying to push beyond the limits as he knows he shouldn't be a 3rd or 4th place driver, but he ends up losing it in so doing. Its a lose/lose, if he backs down, he can't live with himself, and if he pushes, he wrecks. His only savior will be for Ferrari to build a car on par with the other front runners.
     
  10. TifosiUSA

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  11. Remy Zero

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    Lewis post race comments demonstrates he's a really overrated driver and modern champion. Really classless of him to immediately blame the team of sabotaging him. I've never seen/heard/read proper champions like Mika, Michael and even Fred blaming the team in the press.

    What a sore loser. I really hope Nico wins this year's WDC.
     
  12. Igor Ound

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    Lewis, Ron is waiting for you back :D
     
  13. NeuroBeaker

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    Hmmm...


    Good advice.

    Getting back to talking about racing: the example of Rosberg struggling in changing conditions was really more about temperatures behind the safety car and again under a virtual safety car, where Mercedes were struggling to keep tires and brakes in the operating window. During the early virtual safety car after someone (can't remember who) had an incident, Hamilton just managed to keep the temperatures on the lower limit, but Rosberg dropped out of the window. From there, it wasn't just Rosberg's tire temperatures that were too low, but brake temperature too. Once brake temperature drops off, wet conditions are cooling everything and there's insufficient grip to warm the tires, insufficient force to put into the brakes to warm them, insufficient heat from the brakes to warm tires... it's a vicious cycle. In those circumstances, it was actually noteworthy that Rosberg finished in the points at all - the car sounded completely undriveable.

    All the best,
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    Toto Wolff says Lewis Hamilton is allowed to question Mercedes after engine failure
     
  15. NeuroBeaker

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    There's something ironic going on here. :eek:

    All the best,
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  16. Igor Ound

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    Just like Lewis' pole/dnf Saturday/Sunday interviews.

    This is for the team, I know how hard they work, what an amazing job they do, fantastic car, this is a teamwork

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    I don't trust my engines to go the all way anymore, I don't understand why of all the mercedes engines mine are the only ones to fail, someone doesn't want me to win

    :D
     
  17. PSk

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    Hahahaha :)
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  18. daytona355

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    Yeah, firstly, he spoke to the BBC after going to the pit, getting set, removing helmet etc. Hardly words spoken before he had time to think, in the heat of the moment.

    Secondly, Toto claims he walked around chatting and stating his point (was he asking each engineer face to face "did you **** with my engine?")v, then they debrief (give him a bollocking for being such a dipstick with the press and trying to bring Mercedes into disrepute), and then he is made to come out and speak to the team (just like Nico was forced to apologise for crashing into him in spa) to pump them up - nothing more humiliating for mr arrogance than having to stand there and contradict everything he had clearly spelt out to the world press just moments before, making himself look like a whiny girl and total amateur.

    Yeah, that's pure harmony there....... I think Eltons psyche is crumbling before Mercedes eyes, and they are trying desperately to keep him the right side of the line for just five more races, he could blow at any moment ironically
     
  19. TifosiUSA

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    While it is bizarre that Hamilton has had more failures, it wasnt the engines fault he botched the start in Italy or got beaten handily in Singapore. Rosberg is driving really well right now. Yes this should have been Hamilton's race, I'm sure that Massa felt the same way about Hungary '08 that handed...yep Lewis Hamilton the title.

    "That's racing."

    To start with this talk after the team has put the most dominant car in F1 history under his ass for 3 straight years is bad form
     
  20. DF1

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    Brundle puts to rest any idiotic conspiracies here in the summary of the weekend - Bad luck, not a Mercedes conspiracy, hurts Lewis Hamilton | F1 News
     
  21. subirg

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    Lewis is fast but he's not smart. It's fairly obvious that he would self combust after his engine grenades. I don't get the huge surprise on here that he would go off
    Piste with his remarks. Doesn't make it right, but hardly unpredictable.

    Perhaps this is karma paying him back for Rosberg's dnf at Abu Dhabi 2 years ago that effectively handed the title to him on a plate.

    I like Ham for being a racer, but he needs to get his head together or he will certainly gift the title to Rosberg (who, for the avoidance of doubt, would be a worthy wdc).
     
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    From FIA - Power Unit Elements used so far before the Malaysian GP.

    Technical Delegate’s Report

    The drivers entered in the 2016 Formula One Championship have used the below listed number of power unit elements during this season so far:


    ICE: Internal Combustion
    Engine TC: Turbo Charger
    MGU-H: Motor Generator Unit – Heat
    MGU-K: Motor Generator Unit – Kinetic
    ES: Energy Store
    CE: Control Electronics

    N°–Car–Driver–ICE–TC-MGU-H–MGU-K–ES–CE
    44) Mercedes - Lewis Hamilton 6 8 8 6 4 4
    06) Mercedes - Nico Rosberg 4 4 4 4 3 3
    05) Ferrari - Sebastian Vettel 6 6 6 4 4 4
    07) Ferrari - Kimi Räikkönen 4 5 5 5 4 4
    19) Williams-Mercedes - Felipe Massa 3 3 3 3 3 3
    77) Williams-Mercedes - Valtteri Bottas 3 3 3 3 2 2
    03) RBR TAG Heuer - Daniel Ricciardo 4 4 4 4 3 3
    33) RBR TAG Heuer - Max Verstappen 4 4 4 4 3 5
    27) Force India-Mercedes - Nico Hülkenberg 3 3 3 3 3 3
    11) Force India-Mercedes - Sergio Perez 3 3 3 3 3 3
    20) Renault - Kevin Magnussen 4 4 4 4 3 4
    30) Renault - Jolyon Palmer 4 4 4 4 3 4
    26) Toro Rosso-Ferrari - Daniil Kvyat 4 4 4 3 3 4
    55) Toro Rosso-Ferrari - Carlos Sainz 4 4 4 3 3 4
    09) Sauber-Ferrari - Marcus Ericsson 5 6 4 3 3 4
    12) Sauber-Ferrari - Felipe Nasr 5 4 4 3 3 4
    14) McLaren-Honda - Fernando Alonso 7 7 7 7 6 6
    22) McLaren-Honda - Jenson Button 5 5 5 5 5 5
    94) MRT-Mercedes - Pascal Wehrlein 3 3 3 3 3 3
    31) MRT-Mercedes - Esteban Ocon 3 3 3 3 3 3
    08) Haas-Ferrari - Romain Grosjean 4 5 4 4 3 3
    21) Haas-Ferrari - Esteban Gutierrez 4 5 4 3 3 3
     
  23. Patrick Dixon

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    Source please?
     
  24. DF1

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    +1 Nico drives from the back. Press hardly notices. LH gets safety car help to do the same, and the sea parted. LH is able to keep the focus off Nico by saying what he did immediately after the incident then changes tune and says God or whatever being is against him.

    SO LH think God doesnt like him LOL> Why would God think him special anyway.

    From the Brit press - "Hamilton would be better off pondering how best to revive his challenge by doing his talking in the cockpit at the next grand prix. Or by partying it up with the Kardashians or whatever it is he does for race preparation these days."

    Growing tired of him and his lack of public speaking discipline?
     
  25. Bas

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    It's funny he blames God (now...), since he's the one going on about him all day. #blessed
     

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