Official Countach Value Thread

Exactly!

 

Yes! You are right. Simply identifying the cars I have seen advertised. I know of not ONE but TWO collectors with White Downdraft cars that have turned down $750k... AND the 95 mile car that sold for $1 million...

We bought one because I believe they are a $750k++ car...

ALSO as you know, we own a 444 kilometer 1985- 2 Valve Fuel Injected car. Factory USA specification. I have always sworn by these cars... fast revving, nimble, pure design elements... I have always loved 2 valve cars... but I will admit, after driving our new Downdraft... I am smitten.

 

Opinions can change as your experiences change...

Like I mentioned before... I was always skeptical of the "Downdraft" Countach legends...

We personally have a open MSO, 444 kms 1985 2 valve car, that in my eyes... WAS the best.

After driving a well setup Downdraft... my opinions have changed...

Neither the Downdraft or 2 Valve cars will be for sale... at any price.

 

A 2 valve fuel injected car was the best? Iow the small engine, usa spec fuel injection.(Wich some of you are totally bashing) is better than a qv fi ?which is the big 4 valve engine as in the dd .but fuel injected. I am confused. Also was there ever a factory spec fi 2 valve car,?or where they all converted in a wear house at the port of Baltimore,?

 

The factory spec 2 valve fuel injected cars have been discussed at length in a few threads here. Yes, there were around 12-15 cars made late 1984 production as 1985 cars with FLA VIN numbers.
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Thanks for taking the time to find all my spoken words...and I still agree with them.
Apparently you are NOT READING what I posted here correctly..

I AM saying that IMO the value in price difference between the variants is NO LONGER worth it to me to pay the premium for a DD car. I can be just as happy in a FI QV at HALF the price. With the money I have left over, I can buy a real Soda Pop instead of drinking the Koolaid some want us all to drink.

 

OF course he did...I just dont find it worth my time to waste in looking up all his differnt claims over the years and posting...I for one could care less what a "Car Broker" says about car values...we ALL scream hard, including me, when we have something we want to pump up its value on...

I dont KNOW if you guys KNOW this...

BUT my current BLONDE GF with blue eyes is the BEST I have ever had in the Female variant. Better then HER twin that has green eyes that I was with prior to her blue eyed twin. LOL

 

BE careful what you say. EVERYTHING is for sale amongst us Dealers, even you as a Dealer now, will at one point sell anything at the right price....with YOU, ME and YES even good olde JOE....if the correct amount of cash comes around, its gone....it just make take longer with some in our collections then others..


NONE of us will be buried in our cars...they will all go at one point...PERIOD, thats the truth. There is ALWAYS something a little better out there from what we have...always..

 

Correction

Mike Pullen's LP400S S1 was as fast around Goodwood as the Downdrafts, unsurprising because it is lighter, and I still agree with that.

25th Anniversarios being the final developed cars are the best fit & finish, quality, and handling, and I still say this.

 

Can't argue with that.

There are some to whom the $50 million is not worth if for a 250 GTO, they'd rather buy a 250 GTE for $500,000.

As they say, whatever makes you happy!

 

Oh gosh darn gee wiz Mrs Doughtfire...seems we are saying the same thing...

Again, they are all great cars and we all have our favorites...I am still saying, that for AT LEAST ME....as the current prices of a DD are going, it is NOT worth the almost double in value for a comparable FI QV that travels at a stated 25 or so HP less...I guess I will just get to cars and coffee on Saturday morning 2 minutes later then if I took my DD.. oh well.

Now, I am off to pick up another one of my favorites from Vancouver B.C. today.. takes about 3 hours to get up there...and in the spirit of what these cars are made for..YES I will be driving it back across the boarder and home later today. Its raining like heck outside, so should be a fun little trip...I will just imagine myself going through the Alps in the winter and coming out of the Miura tunnel...hopefully no Bull Dozer well be at the other end....LOL

Talk to you all later

 

That experience can also be true.

Lester Piggott said Sir Ivor was the best horse he ever rode

But then 2 years later he rode Nijinsky

 

Curious if you think the S2 is still worth double? Basically same car. A little lower. Smaller engine.

 

interesting, A persicopo must be slower because of the tires, but maybe lighter and more fun on road still. Does a LP400s have the same shorter gearing and 375 hp as the periscopo.
Where doers a 400s fit compred to the other sin pricing.

I always heard the 25 annivs run best and are best built, but they look like a kit car pastiche of a CT to me and apprently otehrs, so are worth the least.

 

This has already been touched on but I feel it's worth reiterating. If someone bought a well kept DD it would be perfect out of the box. Converting a FI to a DD exterior would be considered a pain for some owners. Buyers who are in the market for these cars often want something that is perfect & good to go.

Having driven many different variants over the years I think a Euro look FI AN/QV without the USA emissions equipment and constricted exhaust is very capable of staying with a DD. However I have noticed that the DD motor responds to modifications easier than the FI motor. (At least in my LM)

All things considered I've had my QV for a long time. At the time of purchasing my car in the early 90's I immediately purchased the factory parts and converted it back to the Euro look. It's been part of the family for so long I wouldn't trade it for another CT.

Now that DD's are coming into the country I think they naturally SHOULD command a premium. Although, IMO, a $200k premium is a bit much for a car that's nearly identical to it's FI counterpart. There's a lot you could do to your CT for that money. I'd take the difference and buy a Diablo

 

Chris don't drink Koolaid when you can drink soda pop.

 

I would agree on a premium, but I would go for another Lamborghini/fun car as well for that kind of difference. Possibly, just possibly, thoughts like this are an indication that currently the fi QV version is priced at a buy.

 

Good day for comparing. First. Its the 2 valve fi car beeing better than the QV fi. Now this.

 

We're on a comparison roll here, don't forget this one http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/144991749-post4737.html

 

My mistake. Had no ide John never drove a QV fi,perhaps once he does. That model will be his new favorite.

 

Actually, I think John has driven everything (all the variants), but I won't speak for him.

In my case, I'm certain Ive owned/operated/maintained/used all of the variants from LP400 to 25th, in fact, multiples of each, and it is upon that not inconsiderable experience that I base my thoughts.

 

No doubt from my end reg your Countach experience. Also. Never heard you say the injected us 2 valve car is better than a QV fuelie car, and i suspect you never will.

 

That's one reading, Mick.

But, Kidston is no ordinary second-hand car dealer and, as a Villa d'Este and Pebble Beach host/judge, who has been influencing opinions for decades, I assume that he doesn't actually need to use strong language about a car any more, if he can't back it up.

Compare his DD sales blurb with that on the Anniversary he has for sale right now. It's not what he says. It's what he doesn't say.

Kidston - Cars For Sale




I guess when you are selling a DD, that's what you have to write.

-mick

Kidston - Sold Cars[/QUOTE]

 

You all need to come to the UK.

We don't have the mature, differentiated Countach market you guys enjoy. Over here, there is hardly any difference between a good Anni and a driver level DD (except the styling and the weight!) and apparently none at all between a QV FI and DD. At least not in asking prices. Right now, you simply cannot pay more than $480k equivalent, for a DD with sub 25k kms.

With the exchange rate at 1.22, maybe the question you should be asking yourselves is not whether you should buy an FI or an Anni and pocket the change from a DD, but whether you should just buy an un-inhibited bhp, RHD DD instead and have the same economics.

I know I have bought LHD Porsche cars from the US in the past when the exchange rate has made it sensible.

Just an idea...

 

Poor horsie, hopefully Hoppalong will stay faithful to Hopper, best horse ever.