2016 FORMULA 1 MEXICAN GRAND PRIX RACEDAY **SPOILERS**

Good on the FIA for imposing the penalty so quickly.
Personally I think whatever drivers say into there helmets is there own business, especially in the heat of battle. If Vettel had gotten out of the car and said F*** you Charlie to the press I think that's a different thing altogether.

 

To his defence; he saw Hamilton cutting the corner at T1 right after race start.

Horner is currently at race control filing a complaint against the penalty given (and Vettel moving under braking?).

 

shrugs. they just played the replay again. clearly made two moves and the second came clearly under braking.

i thought they agreed to outlaw that once and for all after all the verstappen complaints? lol guess not!

 

Well, stewards´ protocols expressly allow some leeway in starts. Also Verstappen was deliberately holding position to allow Ricciardo to attack Vettel. Just imagine that Ricciardo passed Vettel: Vettel would have lost that podium even if Verstappen was punished. Verstappen should have gotten a harsher penalty, IMO.

Having said that, a 5 seconds penalty for Hamilton probably wouldn´t be out of order: it´s quite normal to skip the first corner at the start but Hamilton even didn´t try.

Also Vettel could have been punished for changing his line under braking, but after Verstappen´s outrage I suppose they didn´t have the guts to do so.

 

funny...only petulance i'm seeing is coming from a frustrated Vettel who had to be nursed down by Papa Arrivabene...

 

Don't forget that Verstappen didn't receive any warning or penalty from race control during the race....

He got a penalty after the race.

 

They could always raise the age limit or super points requirement. I doubt it though since he is making things exciting.

 

You have to cause an evasive maneuver in the trailing car - Ricciardo did not have to change his line at all once he had committed to the braking zone. In fact, he could barely stop the car. It was a good attempted move by Daniel, just perfectly defended late by Vettel.

 

Yep, stupidly played by Max and Charlie whiting should have immediately been on the radio but he was most likely napping again.

As for a penalty on hammy the safety car came out immediately and bunched the field up again so whatever advantage hammy had gotten thru that corner he gave back so Charlie didn't have to make a decision.

The NBC crew had the full Hammy bias on throughout the broadcast. Talking about the first corner with Max and Nico they seemed to infer that Max should have been given that spot, but nary a mention of the advantage hammy gained. They are tools.

It's bad when we are talking about the crumbs from the MB table....

 

Thing is, Everyone braked earlier than Hamilton, so it wasn't because of unexpected surface...You can see in the start replay that Rosberg/Verstappen etc where on the brakes (and behind Hamilton) and Hamilton still kept on going. He locked, then nailed it, and was miles ahead by S1.

You can't punish 1 and not the other for doing the exact same thing at the same corner, just because it's different laps. Verstappen was as much under attack as Hamilton was. It's bull****. Punish both, or neither (IMO, both should've been penalized).

As for Vettel/Ricciardo...IMO Vettel allowed room. Did he move slightly? I think so but nothing excessive.

Vettel whinged but also I loved sweary Vettel. He's definitely not a robot! Side note...Villeneuve when he was still racing called the FIA or stewards **** and they threatened to ban him....

He was under investigation

 

His engineer told him to let Vettel pass but for some reason he had his own plan.

 

It's true for sure. He is pissed and frustrated. Plus Alonso messed with him on track and then punked him in the press. Max is kicking him in the balls in the press now also. He has to apologize and he set a bad example for kids. He has to do some things now.

One thing he doesn't have to do though - give back 3rd place.

When it counted on track, he didn't flinch. Forza Vettel!

 

Another note - did Hamilton get any air time today on track? Hilarious that when you lead a GP, no one sees it. F1 - offer more viewing options; join us in the future.

 

No argument there, lol. Seb is showing that he lacks composure under pressure. Not displaying champion behavior.

Winning can cure all of that! The guy is clearly competitive.

 

I Kinda enjoy Vettel's radio calls...he's human. I'd get frustrated as **** when people aren't moving for blue flags.

 

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/10/30/ricciardo-vettel-hamilton/

Ricciardo believes Vettel and more importantly Hamilton should've been penalized. Hamilton obviously for his first corner ****.

 

He was still right to "Whine" about Verstappen - And the penalty given to Verstappen bears that out!

You say you're Tifosi, but you don't support Vettel complaining that both he and Ferrari appeared to be being robbed of a rightful podium finish? - I don't get that one!

You say you're fed up with Vettel "whining" all the time? - Well at least when he's whining he's showing a bit of emotion and passion for his racing! (That's quite unusual for a German driver!).

Frankly, I can fully understand Vettel "whining" on the radio about other drivers on track who are getting in his way, holding him up, and blatantly cheating!

You might not like hearing Vettel on the radio, but I for one am more than happy to hear how emotional he gets when he goes racing!

 

Indeed, race control is farce.

Remember Monaco turn 10/11, Nouvelle chicane, right after the tunnel.

Hamilton overshooting the corner with Ricc on his tail on the inside. Hamilton cut the corner and by doing so managed to stay in front of Ricc.

No penalty given

True, but a couple of laps later.

Yup, sort of similar story as Austin.

This time though he was more clever, he backed Vettel up into Ricc. who got a chance to pass him. Vettel went mental.

 

Yah I like it too. I hate robot-fake-drivers.

He is going to go face Charlie, so we'll see. If you are going to say that; you have to go face the person after IMO.

 

I'm not sure Vettel has endeared himself to the tifosi in his short stint. Or maybe its his voice rising 20 octaves as he cries into the radio about "everything."

It's obvious that Ferrari has lost a step - So I applaud Vettel on his strategy today and staying out to push the tires since the "experts" in the pits have no clues or rabbits to pull out of the hat how to get close to the other teams.

Not real fun being a tifosi right now with the dead-man-walking manager, lack of any strategy with good decisions in the flow and a lacking PU. Last thing we need on top of that is a whiner.

Forza Ferrari.

Robb

 

Hamilton was well ahead of both Rosberg and Verstappen when he ran wide at the start of the race - He wasn't under threat of an overtake by either driver behind him.

Added to that, the safety car immediately negated any advantage he'd gained by cutting the corner, so that also made a penalty unnecessary.


As for Seb moving under braking, Ricciardo needs to go a re-read what the new ruling states!

Basically, the new rule is, if a driver makes a late move under braking that results in another driver having to take avoiding action and possibly running off track, then the driver in question will be penalised.

In the case of Seb and Ricciardo, Ricciardo didn't have to take avoiding action when Seb made his move so there's no penalty to be applied.

And Verstappen complaining that Seb turned in on Ricciardo? - Now that one's hilarious!

 

Vettel summoned to stewards for driving ''dangerously or erratically''. If that was dangerous or erratic, F1 has officially died as a sport. Competitors only seek to gain positions by telling the stewards another one was a little bit naughty.

 

Alonso was whining from day 1 onwards at Ferrari. IMO Vettel is a great addition to the team and really loves them. He may whine quite a bit but he is quite right.

IMO Vettel at Ferrari is similar to Alonso at Ferrari at dividing the fans...some have hated him from day 1 (before Ferrari), doesn't matter how much he'll win or lose, they won't love him...and some others my skip over because he's now driving for Ferrari. The other group is where I'm in...I've been a long time fan of him and will continue being so even when he leaves Ferrari.

 

Hamilton says he didn't gain an advantage at Turn 1

LH is officially (fill in blank).
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This is exactly the problem: how do you judge whether the one in front (both Hamilton today and back in Monaco) has "an advantage"? If the one behind does a mistake and cuts the chicane to come out in front you can say he should give back the place but when the one in front cuts it he can not give back what the following car never had...
Hamilton "gave back" the distance between him and the following cars after his rallye stint so for the books he gave back his advantage and everything is good...
On the other side: when you brake too late it becomes impossible for the following car to attack you (as he can not break later than that for sure) so you have an advantage as shown in Monaco (much more than today). I think it is much more difficult to judge the advantage of the leading car and as long as there are no clear rules (track limit do not seem to be enforced all around the track) I do not see how one can handle that fair.
Only possiblity: bring back the gravel and this stunt would have harmed Lewis much more than a drive through the gras so no aditional penalty would be required.

So IMO for today: no penalty for Hamilton but one for Verstappen (causing a collision and forcing another car off the track), for what happend in turn one.
Danner (German TV) said it clearly: Verstappen repeatingly does what is talked about in the drivers meetings and he does not see any necessity to change and a 5 second penalty would not change that either...So maybe he needs a race off to think about what he does with these stunts, it is F1 and neither bumper cars, Nascar or Touring cars where you can lean against your opponents to make it through the corner.