2016 FORMULA 1 MEXICAN GRAND PRIX RACEDAY **SPOILERS**

Loved Max initially but rapidly cooling to him now.
He needs to grow up, and fast.

I'm not the biggest Seb fan but he was bang on the money today, and the result was correct in the end.

 

Sorry, but racing driver mateys of mine all disagree with the Verstappen Penalty/no penalty for Ham. As a side note, they all say Hungary/Spa was a little excessive but for the rest his defending/attacking is on point...and a huge breath of fresh air and exactly what the sport has been missing.

If they penalize Vettel for what ''he did to'' Ricciardo, the sport just sunk another bar or two...This is what racing used to be, but the FIA is turning it into a farce for ****ing *******. Vettel barely moved. If this is what sets the precedent...I'm done with the sport. It'll be biased and not worth it because no overtake may be defended. A ****ing child could make the overtakes then. But nose alongside, gain right of way...that'll be it. Done and dusted, close curtains. Sport finished.

 

I said Verstappen should have been penalized for the first incident with Rosberg and this was nowhere similar to what Hamilton did...
He tried to get by Rosberg with the crowbar and this could have ended Nicos WDC ambitions...

 

Well, that was interesting!

I'm guessing Vettel's comments of Charlie Whiting over the world feed won't have an effect on this career. YIKES!

 

Ah missed that...I don't think that was exactly penalty worthy, neither lose much time (as proven that no one got close to passing either of them, even though Hulkenberg and Raikkonen where very close to them).

Verstappen and Hamilton both deserve a penalty for cutting the corner.

 

Vettel's reaction:

https://mobile.twitter.com/F1/status/792855123135336448/video/1

Good stuff

 

I think it's more accepted in Europe to tell someone to **** off than in the States...Say it in the US and it's deeply, deeply offensive.

 

But there was a collision and something could have happened and Max took that into account while forcing Nico off -> penalty
We saw that from Hamilton against Nico in the past and everybody was shouting "penalty" so that should apply for Max as well to be fair. But sometimes I have the impression that Nico does not have a big standing with the stewards as it is not really under observation when it is against him but he gets penalized when he does something similar (although a little bit less clever).

 

Also, James Allen's tweet has a point there :

https://twitter.com/Jamesallenonf1/status/792858117486866432

Need to remember: a 'disrepute' charge against Vettel hinges on TV director broadcasting it. That was his decision not Vettel's #F1

Best,

Sammy

 

True, and I don't completely disagree.

 

Max has also received a penalty point on top!!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/G3OF1/status/792839001493430276/video/1

Please explain. Seriously. Someone do explain it to me. Don't come at me with ''lap 1 vs lap 71''. This is ridiculous.

 

"Calm down?"

hahaha sorry, but that is pretty funny. Seb should heed his own advice to "the good kid".

Found this post-race clip pretty entertaining too:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSZSHAV7cMY[/ame]

Today's F1 is a circus period lol. No other explanations to be had...

 

Look at the names. Garry Connelly is the same chap that pushed Mercedes to get Verstappen penalized for Hamilton/Verstappen blocking in Japan.
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As I said: Max does not learn it and 5 seconds penalty will not do it to him either...He really said that he should not be penalized because Rosberg was not penalized either after he pushed him off the track himself???

 

Lol good post. Only thing I didn't really agree with was his last comment RE Vettel, but hey, has to defend his team etc...they all do it to a certain degree.

 

Yep his initial comments RE Hamilton where correct, but he had to acknowledge he did push Rosberg so any call for a penalty towards Rosberg would be completely unjust.

 

I think FIA should enforce more strict penalties. We always say "no, let them race" but it is getting worse and worse...Be it Hamilton, Vettel, Max or even the backmarkers, it is never their fault and they are allways victims, no matter what they do and how clear that is.
In "..... is a whiner" you can put almost any name this season, no matter who you like or don´t...
I do not say that the drivers in the last years were different but unfortunately today every of them has more than enough air time to do so...

 

He said Hamilton didn't get penalized for running off at the same part of the track, why should he, not Rosberg...

I think it's a valid argument and only highlights the circus that is F1 today...

 

Listen to it again, he also mentioned Rosberg in that consense...

 

So what, it's an aside.

The main pain point he made is Hamilton pulled the same off-track maneuver, gained an advantage, and got away with it, so why should he be penalized for doing the same thing at the same point of the track?

 

He said Rosberg got an advantage while he was the one forcing him off the track and causing the collision...that is just a bad joke and not an "aside". As I mentioned in my next post: it is never them, they are all victims...like in Spa when the Ferrari "destroyed his race" when he drove in the back of Raikkonen

 

10 ssecond penalty for Vettel. I'm done lol

 

Payback for his comments on the radio ?

 

I don't think it's that hard to judge whether a driver has an advantage or not based on video images. Race control doesn't have to exactly judge the extent of the advantage. Just if there is one or not. If so; penalty.

No it isn't.

He was out of bounds, in football terms offside, and he made the most of it, gained an advantage. Why he actually overshot the corner, either due to his own mistake, his brakes or dirty tarmac, isn't relevant. Unless another driver forced him. And that a yellow flag situation just a couple of minutes later resolved his advantage isn't relevant either.

Race control doesn't really need to judge the extent of the advantage, merely if there was an advantage.

When a driver indeed has an advantage, penalty.

Rosberg actually gained an advantage by cutting the next corner. So he wasn't harmed in any way. So there's nothing to penalize.

Besides Mercedes seem far less impressed when one of their own, Leham, forces Rosberg off track, Austin 2015 for instance.....

Saw the commentary on RTL+ too. They have a pretty strong(negative) opinion on Verstappen every time, but then again his actions usually involve German drivers.

They are far from objective.

Race control determines whether drivers are penalized; not Christian Danner. And as an ex touring car driver (DTM) he must know far better than that nonsense of giving Vers a race off......

 

Now for Hamilton to get one or for them to undo the penalty imposed on Verstappen for running wide at turn 1 and coming back onto the track the exact same way Hamilton did.

lol.

News link for Seb's penalty:
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/24182/10639453/sebastian-vettel-relegated-to-fifth-at-mexican-gp-after-penalty