2016 FORMULA 1 MEXICAN GRAND PRIX RACEDAY **SPOILERS**

So what was the advantage of Hamilton today? He was in front with missing the chicane and he would have been in front if he would have made it. Nobody was attacking him at that moment. If this would have happened 10 laps later and he would have been on his own nobody would have said anything unless his laptime would have been significant fast than the lap before.

What advantage did Rosberg gain??? He was in front until Max decided to bump his way through on the inside pushing Rosberg of the track. Causing a colission and forcing a car off the track are not to penalize in case the car forced off and collided is not standing in pieces next to the track??? So if that is not penalized why not always try to pass that way until someone is really hurt? In my way this was much more a penalty than what Hamilton did!

Yes, it is race control speaking out the penalties...does that mean they are always right?
And German TV might be as biased as all the others but for what reason many of the incidents discussed this year have one thing in common - Max Verstappen ?

 

Thought so.

Not sure I'm pleased with it though.

 

Vetttel stripped of 3rd for moving under braking. Lol @ f1 man. Someone cue up the schumi clips of him squeezing people in the brake zone.

No penalty for Hamilton.

Cutting the grass is ok.

Tough defense is a no no.

 

Yup. Here we go now. Don't even know who is in what place until a bunch of arbitrary penalties are imposed. Of course after RB met w Charlie. Hahahaha.

Slippery slope here. Be careful what you wish for drivers.

 

Oh for f**ks sake, stupid penalty call for Vetttel.

 

Yup. F1 is quite simply ****ed. That snake Garry Connelly is to blame.

I'm very close to being done with f1.

 

What an utter joke!

 

He overshot the corner.....if he tried to make it......

Verstappen and Rosberg were wheel to wheel with Vers slightly better positioned on the inside, but he hit Rosberg, forcing him off track. Rosberg then didn't try to make the corner, if he did, he would've ended up behind Vers. He cut the corner and by doing so ended up in front of Vers. Nobody was hurt, no damage, nobody gained a real advantage, well maybe Rosberg did, but Vers. error was neutralized....

Maybe because he doesn't give way that easily. And every incident should be judged individually. He didn't do anything wrong today other than slightly hitting Rosberg who drove on unscathed.

 

Indeed race control did a lot wrong today.

A penalty given to Leham might've changed Rosberg race, staying within 5 sec.

Vettel's move was forceful but he left more than enough room...

 

Vettel was penalized because the move was "potentially dangerous", so what was Verstappens move then? Ricciardo was also unhurt and unscratched but still Vettel got the penalty.
And no, Max was not in the better position because he was not able to keep the inside at that speed but he needed the room another car already was in. So it was his mistake and it could have ended Nicos WDC when they collided. It was him driving into Nico and not the other way round, Max just tried to bump his way through turn one!

 

Not that I agree, but Vettel was penalized for moving under braking.....

Ironically the tighten rule he so strongly supported during the drivers meeting in Austin.

 

Hulkenberg, Riccardo among those saying Hamilton got a huge advantage by cutting t1

 

I gave up on motogp because of the Marquez / Rossi issue at the end of last season that was utter crap.

I see similarities here. Should be a good last two races with respect to "anything can happen" with the org and drivers. Hopefully this will cause a major revamp of how things are done.

Robb

 

I have better ways to waste three hours. Sure glad I don't own any Liberty Media stock.....

 

Well, doesn't matter if Seb gave ric room or not, fact is, he moved under braking which was outlawed:

The rule about moving under braking was introduced in FIA Race Director Charlie Whiting's notes at the U.S. Grand Prix after Verstappen was accused of defending second position from Lewis Hamilton in a dangerous manner at the Japanese Grand Prix. Vettel was among the drivers who welcomed the new rule, saying it had been an "unwritten law" when he entered F1.

An FIA statement explained the decision in full:

"The stewards paid particular attention to the Race Director's Notes from the US Grand Prix and from this event. Notwithstanding the F1 Commission directive to 'let the drivers race' we note the concern that has been expressed about manoeuvrers involving a change of direction under braking as expressed at the drivers briefing at the US Grand Prix and in the Race Director's Notes from the US Grand Prix and this event.

"The telemetry and video evidence shows that the driver of Car 5 did change direction under braking. Article 27.5 and the Race Director's Notes have essentially three criteria that determine a breach:

1) Driving in a manner potentially dangerous
2) An abnormal change of direction
3) Another driver having to take evasive action

"The video footage, including the close circuit footage, the broadcast vision, both drivers' on board cameras plus the telemetry show that there was an abnormal change of direction by Car 5 and this was considered to be potentially dangerous in view of the proximity of the wheels of each car. The video evidence clearly shows that Car 3 had to take evasive action as a result. Accordingly as all three criteria have been met, the driver of Car 5 is guilty of a breach of Article 27.5."

 

I'd like to see lap data if Max was backing Vettel up to Ricardo... Seems like bull**** that Max should have been ordered to give up position and because of race control indecision Ricardo was in a place to attempt a pass on Vettel.

Just one more thing to add to the list of reasons F1 is boring now... Letting race results be decided via news update hours after the race kills any interest in actually watching the race, I'll just read the news the next day.

 

Might not have been intentional. Max's tires were falling off and Vettel was faster. Ricciardo was faster still - at least with Max in front of Vettel.

Concur.

Hey Max congrats on third; wait get out.
Here you go Vettel! Pop the champagne; oh wait, no sorry.

Ricc - party's over...drink out of your shoes in the hotel k?

 

Exactly...wth is he smoking? He pushes Rosberg off track then complains that Rosberg cut the corner? ROFLMAO!

 

I'll bet it was a factor...

This season has been brutal.

 

Lol!!

 

+2

Robb

 

+1

Absolutely disgusted. F1 is now officially a joke.

 

It is HUGELY frustrating when a series says they are enforcing track limits, then goes selective.

I had a karting series do it, and, the next even was about half the grid because a lot of people did not want to spend the money to show up and drive to a poo officiating.

If you exceed the track limits for any reason in quali - that lap doesn't count. If you exceed the track limits solo automatic 5s penalty. If another car forces you off you both get a 5s penalty. Problem solved.

 

Enforcement of track limits is wildly inconsistent and, therefore, a joke. But I do agree that Seb cursing Whiting gave race "control" all the incentive they needed for this penalty. Our prancing boy is getting increasingly frustrated at having no potential to be a frontrunner and, likely, recently getting outqualified by Kimi.

 

Finally finished this one. Nico gains and advantage at turn one. Max gains advantage against vettel and backs him into ricciardo. Wow... race control sucks

Well done lewis going to 2nd in all time wins

Smart nico doing what needs to be done to lock up his first wdc