FIA discussing sanction on Vettel for Brazil race

FIA investigates possible sanction against Vettel for Brazil.

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Robb

 

Formula "E" is "fueled" by electricity. (From coal? )

Indycar is fueled by ethanol.

F-1 is fueled by egos.


I miss the days when grownups raced in cars designed by the teams, instead of by committee.

 

They're all grown ups, they can take a swear word.

If not, **** off and live in a bubble.

 

I think it's not about egos, but the emperor knows that he's got not clothes at this moment and can't afford any public embarrassment.

 

It is like in every sport: in football you are spending more time off telling the referee that he is blind than when breaking the bones of your opponent...
It might sound unbalaced but the referee has to do that to keep authority.
Difference: when you do that in the cubicle there is normally no microphone, but if you say that in the team radio everyone can listen.

If Vettel wants to make a point out of it he has to accept a penalty without leaving his point of view.

 

I think the whole thing is stupid. They created the situation when they didn't properly black flag Verstappen when he didn't yield the position back to Vettel. That's what led to Vettel's frustration in his driving and words - he should have retained third place and Verstappen is the one that should have been penalized! He's been driving aggressively all year with no penalties! I'm done watching F1 and their silly games!

 

lol what a joke

 

whiting should have been sacked after Japan 2007; he hasn't gotten better with age. Needs to be fired asap, especially since he failed to make the call immediately when max cut the corner.

I love how hammy wasn't given a penalty for his start-I thought the safety car made things right by bunching up the field but whiting said no penalty was merited anyways because he immediately lifted after he cut the corner-that's cause hammy was on the grass Charlie you big dummy....

 

or his absurd SC deployments if there is a sprinkle on the track.

 

Of all the behaviors of all the folks involved with F1 THIS deserves punishment?
What a bunch of ****ing snowflakes!

 

+1 And his insistence on starting wet races behind a safety car and then keeping the SC out so long that all the wet tyres have gone off by the time the bone dry track is deemed safe enough to race on thereby causing the huge safety issue of the entire field diving into the pits at the same time to switch to slicks causing general mayhem and risk of loss of life.

 

Agreed, but....

'Also agreed. Image must be maintained.

 

Sebastian: note to self, never tell whiting to f* off ever again.

The discipline master keeping the kids in line. Too funny.

 

Yea cause penalizing him for donuts stopped him from doing that too lol

 

And the alternative is better? Lowering standards and values? Lovely.



"Those were the days my friends. We thought they'd never end....."

lorenzobandini

 

I think you have to understand the rules; Verstappen didn't have to yield to Vettel (btw Vettel was never in front of him so there is no 'yield back'), he just had to give the place up to avoid a possible penalty. He chose not to do that and he got a 5s penalty.

There never was a question of a black flag.

I personally don't think there was any question of Verstappen deliberately backing Vettel into Riciardo. I don't believe Verstappen is that interested in Riciardo benefiting, I think he was just trying to do everything to hang on to his third place.

 

This is what we get when things are run by impetuous children.

 

Exactly
The problem in this situation was not Verstappen but race control. When you think someone makes a mistake you have to penalize him immediately so everybody knows what is going on, so the one behind knows whether he needs to have another try or just stay within 5 seconds. If you decide that after the race it is a lottery and nobody can rely on it and the spectators are left in the dark who actually made the podium until they are at home.
The problem with Vettel was that he was falsely told by his team that Verstappen was told to give him third place but this was not the case, as it was just a suggestion by Horner rather than an order by the race control.

PS: Vettel had to have the impression that Verstappen is holding him up when he thinks that a penalty was given because this would be the only reason in this case to stay in front at all costs. But as no penalty was given Verstappen just tried to keep his third place that he still had without the penalty.

 

Good points

 

I don't necessarily agree! Verstappen left the course to prevent being passed and therefore gained an advantage - even his team said he should give Vettel the position back. They penalize drivers for putting all 4 wheels outside the white line all the time, how is it any different leaving the track to avoid being passed?

 

No further action with Vettel, just published on the F1 site. At least they got one right...

No FIA disciplinary action over Vettel outbursts

 

+1


Here again, it all boils down to the rules about track limits not being constantly enforced.

Maybe Brawn, if he takes over the technical side of F1 will bring a solution to this shamble.

We should use electronics (already existing) to signal to the stewards any car that ventures outside the white lines, and strictly apply a penalty.

There is no excuse not to sort out that problem, once and for all.

 

Sensible ...

 

Electronics is simply a terrible way to sort out the track limits issue. Just do the meter or so wide strip of gravel/grass. Done.

 

+1, been saying this since Sunday.

Yes this has been discussed to the Nth degree now. Verstappen didn't give up the place because for the same thing Hamilton didn't get a penalty (some corner etc). He told the team that and they agreed (during the race still). The FIA are ****ing biased idiots though so decided to penalize one and not the other.

I agree Verstappen should've been penalized, but then so should Hamilton. By letting Hamilton go scott free, so should Verstappen using the same logic.

Rosberg was closer to Hamilton when that happened (and the gap was MASSIVE as Hamilton nailed it) than Vettel was to Verstappen, yet only the latter got penalized.