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Help with 355F1 throwout bearing

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  1. 0.0.1.99

    0.0.1.99 Formula Junior

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    #1 0.0.1.99, Nov 24, 2016
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    Where the 348 and 355 manual cars have an easily-accessible 2-bolt plate which secures the throwout bearing to the flange, the F1 cars have three 13mm studs which provide more precise in-and-out movement of the throwout. The remaining two studs are on the passenger side of the throwout and cannot be seen in the picture below.

    Each stud (part 166595) offers only inches of clearance until the entire flange/bearing is removed from the clutch pumpkin as a single unit where standard length wrenches can be used. The heads of the studs also have very little height to properly grip a wrench (even a flare nut wrench) and therefore round-off easily. Further I suspect the studs are reverse-threaded.

    I cannot locate even a basic list of steps for the F1 throwout replacement. The manual transmission throwout swap is cake compared to this thing. Anyone ever replaced the F1 throwout bearing (Hill part CRB355F1S or the factory part 170182) and can offer any tips? Thanks.
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  2. plugzit

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    Release and remove the throwout bearing then use a deep socket.
    Aren't the studs threaded into the bearing carrier and not the bellhousing anyway?
     
  3. 0.0.1.99

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    The throwout bearing cannot be removed from the shaft until after the end of stroke studs are removed first. Also, a socket is blocked by the mounting ears on the throwout. Because of this, the only way to remove the studs is with an open ended wrench.

    I just saw that Hill makes replacement studs with the description:

    "Made from much stronger material - original item made from very low tensile steel thus rounding of the hexagon is inevitable."

    166595 - 166595 Stud by: Hill Engineering - Hill Engineering Ferrari

    I suspect shops like Bradan either cut and replace the studs or have some type of vice and flare nut wrench specifically designed for this very problem where the nuts get rounded off.
     
  4. INTMD8

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    Crows foot wrench?
     
  5. plugzit

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    Why not just remove the whole assembly, then deal with the studs when you have clearance for a wrench?
     
  6. 0.0.1.99

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    Actually that was the only way to get significant leverage on the studs so I removed the flange and throwout together. While the assembly is off, the ATF fluid from the F1 reservoir leaks continuously so it needs to be a quick job.

    With the studs frozen to the flange, I think they need to be cut from the post, the throwout removed and the lower stud half (still connected to the flange) can then be taken off with a simple socket.

    I keep hoping there is another way and I plan to try heating the stud with a torch but the bottom line is the studs will likely need to be replaced.

    Again, I suspect the authorized repair shops always replace them anyway. More specialized shops like Bradan may have fashioned tooling to reuse the studs but they have quite a headstart on us.

    I keep hoping there is another way that I am overlooking.
     
  7. plugzit

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    The heat wrench is your friend.
    File down the 6 point box wrench til the flats are flush with the mating surface. Cut a notch (like a line wrench has) large enough to clear the shaft. Heat the flange with a torch. Remove it.
     
  8. 0.0.1.99

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    i think you are probably right, I am planning to try heat next. Is it better to heat the flange or the stud?
     
  9. plugzit

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    Heat the flange.
     
  10. phrogs

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    Those things are held in with a thread locker.
     
  11. tr512

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    Just remember there are two small O/rings that you should replace behind the flange they are easy to match up.
     
  12. Motob

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    There is a special factory Ferrari crowsfoot that is used to remove the bolts. But as you can see there is not much gripping surface on the bolt and often the tool slips and rounds off the bolt.
    I usually end up cutting off the bolt head with a zip wheel, remove the throw-out bearing and then use a six point socket to remove the bolts and replace them with new.
     
  13. Ricambi America

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    This is the cranked wrench, 95973048 360 GEAR BOX WRENCH - Ricambi America, Inc.

    But as Brian notes, it is quite common to simply chop them off, slide the bearing out, use a normal socket for pin removal, then install new pins on reassembly. The Hill version of the F355 pins are here: 166595 STROKE STUD F1 - Ricambi America, Inc.
     
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  15. phrogs

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    Same here, just cut one off and replace.
     
  16. 0.0.1.99

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    This is precisely what I did. The bolts came out easily once the throwout was out of the way. Had I seen this post from a few years ago I would have been prepared with the 3 new end of stroke studs as soon as I went in:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142594455-post1.html

    As it is now, I am waiting for Ricambi to open back up on Monday and I can hopefully complete the job Tuesday after work.
     
  17. Ricambi America

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    Ken -

    I'll be back in NC late tonight and planning to go by the office on Sunday morning. If you want to come up to Winston-Salem, I'd be happy to get you the tool and the pins. Shoot me an email or PM if you're interested.
     

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