Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

That 3 sec difference is gobsmacking!!! In all fairness the Bridgestones were more suited to every day driving (the same reason that Ferrari opted against the Trofeos for the LF) but it shows what difference a more sticky tyre makes.

 

Honestly, the Bridge Scuderia seems too conservative... but I agree with Ferrari about TrofeoR

 

This Grand Tour test is the last of the formal head to head comparisons of the three hypercars that I am aware of.

Spanning the last two years of comparisons, is there something in these tests that changed your mind relative to your preconceived notions when they were first launched?

 

Nope, same opinions as in their launch.
P1 sucks, 918 is the best car ever and the LaF is even more than just a "car".

And Chris Harris is a shill.

 

The Grand Tour was wrong on the LaF electric mode...

 

Are they though for practicality purposes? I was of the understanding it could run on electric mode for only a short distance and only up to 5kmph or such. Certainly nowhere near the ability to run a quarter mile.

 

Yeah, the electric mode is only good for parking the car.

 

A shill who posted full unedited laps with telemetry.

 

Same order to me: 2nd place ex-aequo: P1 and 918 - the best cars you could lately buy - besides LaF

 

Motor Trend has named the 2017 Porsche 911 Turbo S as the fastest launching car that it has ever tested.

The Turbo S beat all three of the hypercars from 0-30, 0-40, and 0-50 mph!

The 2017 Porsche 911 Turbo S is Motor Trend?s Hardest-Launching Car Ever Tested - Motor Trend

 

That is crazy!

 

When I was a kid, the Turbo was a $120K car.

Maybe I'm living in the past, but $200K for a 911 Turbo just sounds insane to me. I mean, you could rephrase that and say that a 911 Turbo is approaching a quarter of a million dollars. That just doesn't feel right.

Who am I to question though? If Porsche can sell them for $200K, then why not?

 

Agreed, just not special enough for $200k. But in the era of cheap money anything goes. We'll see if this companies still move their products in a couple years.

 

does that mean i can stop following this thread? i was kinda hoping it would get to 1000 pages before it ended

before laptimes:
1. Mclaren P1
2. LaFerrari
3. Porsche 918

i thought the P1 would win over the LaF because its aero was so much more advanced and it claimed higher downforce figures

after laptimes:
1. porsche 918
2. LaFerrari
3. Mclaren P1

the 918 has dominated while the LaF being basically 458 on steroids gives it the edge over P1, which had ridiculous claims and needed trofeo Rs added later in order to keep up with the competition

 

I see it a different way. (Adjusted for Cup 2 vs Corsa tyre differences.)

Slow Tracks, e.g. Laguna Seca (1 lap):

1. 918
2. LaF
3. P1

Fast Tracks, e.g. Spa, Monza (1 lap):

1. P1
2. LaF
3. 918

Slow Tracks (10 laps/track day):

1. LaF
2. P1
3. 918

Fast Tracks (10 laps/track day):

1. P1
2. LaF
3. 675LT
4. 918

 

More nonsense out of you. You do know that the 918 has the best regenerative braking properties of all the hybrids, correct? You will not drain the batteries as quickly as the other two. You've somehow got it in your head that a 675 somehow is ahead of the 918, which is absurd. There are owners on this very board who have both, they'll tell you a 918 is in another league. Although, I'm sure even if they did you'd have like 10 bogus lap times and myriad of reasons why they were wrong including The Grand Tour having the audacity to edit their laps for the show.

Just curious, what is your personal experience with these or any other fast cars? Ownership history?

 

Yes but it also uses way more electric power than the other two hybrids and also has less capacity to use the engine to regenerate under TCS conditions due to weaker engine and AWD, which is why the battery is clearly flat on Dottinger Hohe in the 6:57 lap. So after about 5 minutes of flat out running in HL mode the battery is not only generating less power, but completely flat. At Laguna Seca, it was 1s slower on lap 2 and 1.5s slower on lap 3. It's a magazine lapper, not a track days lapper.

Well I can show you these videos on Spa and COTA. Bear in mind the Spa lap is just a customer and another customer has gone 2:36. And in the COTA vid you can see both cars making 2:25 through traffic. Now Jason Hart only managed 2:17 in the P1 on Trofeos and he is an IMSA pro racer, so these customers in the LT and 918 are not unskilled drivers in this video. The 918 cannot be used in HL mode for this length on time, it is slowly worn down and eventually overtaken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAGFkqVKVj4&t=86s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ul3tEWJXp8&t=275s

 

Please answer my question.

 

What relevance does it have to the discussion? Would you suddenly agree with everything I said, if I did, or do own these cars?

The fact is that the 918 does very well in 1 lap magazine comparisons but not so well in multi-lap track days and this is all down to the nature of the HL setup. It's called 'hot lap' and not 'hot laps' for a reason. The actual current draw on the 918 relative to battery size (Ampere Seconds) is higher too, even out of HL mode.

And surely we can agree that a 0.2s win on Cup 2s vs Corsas isn't a win at all.

 

Says the guy with no real world experience or actual knowledge. Try talking to actual owners. Oh also, you do realize a 918 would blow the doors off of a 675 in any mode right? All I hear from you is hot laps mode repeated over and over again. You do realize it's just a button you press on the steering wheel? It doesn't require your entire car to change (P1) and isn't necessary to squash a normal super car.

 

Who says I have no real world experience? I haven't and won't make a comment one way or the other.

Funny then that in 6-7 laps of COTA it was overtaken by not one but two 675LTs, all whilst losing the rear end slightly a few times. Surely it should just blow the doors off it right?

Could you also explain why the 918 even in HL mode is <1s and sometimes <0.5s faster than the 675LT on Anglesey Coastal, Willow Springs, Hockenheim Short (LT hasn't done full supertest there yet either) and Vairano Handling Course?

Race height on the P1 can run permanently, whereas HL mode on the 918 is a shortlived gimmick for lap time bragging rights on forums and completely useless on track days.

 

I'd say that most people commenting on this thread don't have experience with these cars.

As I stated in the past; owners, their coaches, etc. are tracking their cars around the globe. They just don't post it publicly but do share their thoughts with other owners/interested parties.

Regarding; COTA specifically and the video that lieven posted. I do know the chicane grey 675 LT owner and all three of the cars shown in that video are serious track drivers. I'd rather not take a screen shot of his conversation with me but this is what he said:

"cool...too bad on the laferrari...i have never seen one out on track at COTA! p1 and 918 many times. 918 is actually not so good there. the weight kills it. P1 is an animal and 4 seconds faster than my best lap in the LT on Trofeo R's.

 

You just quoted an owner, which is what I would be able to do. Quoting an owner is a different story than just making baseless claims based on watching some YouTube videos. Plus I also asked him what his ownership/real world experience is with fast cars in general. There's a difference between really understanding speed in the real world versus arguing tenths of a second differences with different driver or worse making the discussion about freaking tires.

 

The P1 has enough juice and regen capability to do hot lap after hot lap on the very longest of tracks. I've tracked mine several times, have over 5k miles on it and the battery has never run out. You will run out of gas trying. Its my understanding HL mode on the 918 does allow you to drain the battery, so regarding your statement 'you will not drain the batteries as the other two is completely false because its not possible to drain the battery on either the P1 or the LaF. Just sayin..

 

I wasn't claiming the P1 would out of juice or that you couldn't drain a 918 keeping hot laps pressed for multiple laps, if you read my next comment I said that you don't NEED to press the hot laps button on the 918 to beat a car like a 675 on a track. Under every other driving mode including race the 918 has a more powerful regen system than LAF or P1. Which is true.

To be honest though I've ever heard of any of them going flat other than when Salomondrin drove the P1 vs 918 at thermal and claimed both cars died afterward.