Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I see some agonizing last efforts from the P1 camp, that the buried horse is… actually in good health yet… Funny

 

Where does the LaFerrari sit in this discussion Igor?


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Agonising efforts with considerable proof. The LaF and P1 have sustainable performance for track days, the 918 does not. The 918 is quite literally just pulling a Nissan GTR trick with its heavy AWD and stickier tyre antics, only the GTR never stooped to the lows of temporary performance boosts.

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/n83jejotliff

GT-R (2008 485ps) Carrera GT
Bedford Autodrome West Circuit (post 06/2008) 1:23.60 1:23.30
Motortrend Figure-8 0:24.20 0:23.80
Nürburgring Nordschleife 7:26.70 7:28.71
Vairano Handling Course 1:16.69 1:17.35
Top Gear Track 1:19.70 1:19.80
Bedford Autodrome West Circuit (2004 - 06/2008) 1:21.70 1:19.70
Balocco 2:48.73 2:42.62
Hockenheim Short 1:10.70 1:08.60

Now, if a 485ps Nissan can beat a Carrera GT in magazine hot laps pulling the same tricks, then obviously a 900+hp hypercar with a HL mode can pull the same tricks and win a few hot laps but at the same time be grossly inferior relative to the LaF and P1 on track days.

 

Battery charge vs current draw facts.

LaFerrari -
163ps (120kW),
480V,
250A,
2.3kWh,
146kg or 60kg? 146kg may include e-motor?
0.038kWh/kg
52.17kW/kWh
106.5A/kWh



918 -
312+ps (230kW),
385V,
606A,
6.8kWh
138kg
0.049kWh/kg
33.8kW/kWh
89.11A/kWh
Road Test: 2014 Porsche 918 Spyder Review


P1 -
179ps (131kW),
535V,
245A, (131,000W/535V)
4.7kWh
96kg
0.049kWh/kg
27.9kW/kWh
52.1A/kWh
Exclusive: McLaren P1 Review - GTspirit
http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a508/sigmafour1/P1%20Battery_zpsr34rdooy.png

 

YOU'RE TELLING AN OWNER OF A VEHICLE HE IS WRONG ABOUT HIS CAR DO YOU NOT SEE HOW LUDICROUS THAT IS?

 

Is Lieven actually Jill Stein?

 

What I've done is show video evidence proving that he is wrong. Please review the video before yelling at people. See from 7:40, BOOST clock reads empty and speed falls off, and that's even with the front motor allegedly disengaged after 260kph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV8aNwEBPTQ&t=2s

As regards the Laguna comment, see acceleration traces for P1 and 918 on successive laps during Laguna tests. Yes, HL mode doesn't 'run out' during that time but acceleration is notably reduced. So it doesn't really matter if the guy is an owner or not if there is clear incontravertable evidence to prove him wrong. And don't forget, owners like to protect their investment.

http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a508/sigmafour1/lagunatrace_zpsnhqfixlb.jpg

 

you're "teaching" an owner of a vehicle about his car through a YouTube video.....claissic Jill Stein move.

 

So let me get this straight, if I post a video clearly showing the battery being completely drained in Hot Lap mode, I am wrong because an owner says so?

I suppose if I show a picture of a red car I will also be wrong if the owner says it's white. Have you ever considered that many owners do not use the car to its full potential?

Do I really have to take a still of the video I've already posted where the battery is drained and post it just to prove you wrong?

See battery drained, acceleration tail-off, owner was wrong about their own car, deal with it.
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Also let me add, you'd be astounded by how seriously ignorant some people are about their own car. Okay, I'm going to extremes here, but some people don't even know what layout they're driving, whether it's RWD or FWD or AWD, or even what car they actually have. So no, an owner is not the definitive source for a given car.

 

I think we need to consider your passenger is this equation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9SVwKMJdes

 

Lieven, Mycroft, LMFAO or whatever your last nickname is…
As I have told you many times, you can’t prove anything to anyone, just because you read selectively, you misunderstand facts, you manipulate facts, you overexpose facts and mainly; you are Maclaren fanboy or employee…
Last, but not least you are very angry after this last massacre for your beloved P3…
Sorry, but you will have to start living with the results, as they are… It’s over.

 

LOL. Let me get this straight. You are criticizing the Nring record holding lap by the 918? That is like criticizing the Usain Bolt's third stride on his 9.59 run. It beggars belief.

 

What happens After the second lap though? My guess is the car automatically loses a lot of engine power to recharge the batteries to be able to mask turbo lag. In the 918's case instead even if the second lap would be slightly slower it would probably still be ahead of the P1 and would still be able to go pretty quick even with the batteries completely drained.

What I really want to see is a multiple laps race with the 3, but I suspect I know already who would win or lose.

 

Please see this post, I'm not the one who can't live with the facts.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145068834-post19659.html

A fact cannot be overexposed either, that just something said by people who don't like the truth. Now who's like Jill Stein again?

 

You mean the one that's only 2s faster than an Aventador SV on Corsas?

Let's see how fast that Aventador SV is shall we?

McLaren 675LT vs Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV - FastestLaps.com

675LT Aventador LP750-4 SV
Hockenheim Short 1:07.20 1:07.80
Vairano Handling Course 1:10.10 1:11.84
Le Mans (Bugatti) 1:44.04 1:47.35
Sachsenring 1:30.52 1:31.79
Motortrend Figure-8 0:22.40 0:23.10
Willow Springs 1:24.29 1:25.42

Wow, and the 918 on stickier Cup 2s beat that by a whole 2s on a 7 minute lap? Wow, amazing...

And OMG, what happened here? 918 beaten by Huracan.

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/balocco

 

Everything about the Ring record holder, it’s lack of some modifications and additional performance and the explanation from Lieb himself is discussed many times in the last 984 pages…

You don’t deserve to amortize my keyboard, by repeating it… sorry! 

 

Give it a rest dude. Those were two 2:17 laps, the 918 graph shows three 1:30 laps, the 918's acceleration is decaying and the P1's isn't, the 918 is 1s slower on lap 2 and 1.5s slower on lap 3. HL mode is a gimmick for magazine tests and nothing more. It has all the practicality of a nitrous shot on a track day.

The P1's current draw relative to battery size is very small compared to the 918 (even in normal race mode). Two reasons for this, 1 - less e-power, 2 - separate gearing on e-motor prior to main transmission, lowers torque required and hence current draw.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145068661-post19654.html

 

Lack of modifications? Like the fixed roof? Surely that's an added modification. Excuses, excuses, face facts. So what happened here? Was a 2:40 lap more than HL mode could manage?

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/balocco

 

Have a nice evening...

 

You too, no harm done.

 

Please take your own advice on this one

 

You do know that the N-Ring record run was on a prototype 918 and there has been 5 major revisions done on the car since the car was released for production? You do know that with the latest spec 918, Porsche has internally calculated it could go 7-10 seconds quicker on the N-Ring right with the final 918 specification? Of course you do, you know everything there is about the 918 and the P1.

You also do know that the 918 used in the Laguna Seca test was just a standard 918 right? Not even in the Weissach trim.

You do know that in all of the head to head tests done so far by the media, 918 won most of them right? Of course, of the numerous tests that the P1 lost to the 918/LaF **drum roll**, these tests were all rigged right? It's blasphemy that the media (most of them British by the way) is set out to get the P1, a British made car, so they can all suck up to the 918, a German made car!

 

Could, should, prove it. The 918 was also only 2s faster than the SV around the 'ring when Sport Auto tested them both.

You do know that Laguna Seca has umpteen 30-40mph corners that greatly benefit AWD, and that the P1's TCS/ABS system has been updated since that test? And that the 918 was 1s slower on lap 2 and 1.5s slower on lap 3? And has anyone ever measured if the Weissach trim actually makes much difference? There are also heavier and lighter P1 options too. And it did have the Weissach wheels on.

Factually wrong, and wouldn't be much of an achievement if you can't keep it up for >2 minutes. So far, it's only won one test that wasn't Corsa vs Cup 2 and the P1's TCS/ABS software has been updated since then.

Porsche 918 Spyder vs McLaren P1 - FastestLaps.com

From respected sources:

918 Spyder P1
Algarve International Circuit (Portimao) 1:53.98 1:51.78
Goodwood Hill climb 1:06.09 0:53.00
Silverstone (National Circuit) 0:58.47 0:58.24
Laguna Seca (post 1988) 1:29.89 1:30.71
Autocar Wet Handling Track 1:21.20 1:20.50
Autocar Dry Handling Track 1:05.70 1:06.80 (corsa + damp)
Anglesey Coastal 1:12.40 1:11.20

So congrats, 918 made a faster time on 2 tracks, one of which where the P1 was on inferior tyres and in the damp. And the P1 has never lost to a Huracan on a 3 minute lap either. What were you saying about consistency again?

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/balocco

 

Will do, I can rest easy having successfully proved you wrong.