Will be interesting to see - I'm down for a November build F12M - actually I really want an aperta version of the F12/M but figure if I want one I'm going to need an F12M in the stable otherwise little chance.
I have the PuppyMonkeyBaby post queued up! Which way will it go! Very exciting! Either way we should know the instant we see it.
That's my concern....I'm saying that, I won't be able to help myself and will most likely end up with one.....[emoji15][emoji85]
I think the rear of the F12M will have the lusso lights, almost a given not as nice as the current F12. when you look back the TR vs the 512M was not as nice. They ruined the car in terms of looks with headlights and rear circle lights, looked kit carish. Producing the F12M is just a money spinner as the TDF is the ultimate F12 limited numbers official by ferrari. I love the F12 in its standard form with the performance too. The styling will be around the lusso just because of production lean requirements. Watch this space just my thoughts.
The streetwise photo is interesting as it integrates the F12 and Lusso lines...who knows but my gut feeling why mess with current F12 and Tdf lines.
I think we will find the car looks amazing, more of a difference than FF to Lusso, the question will be whether the direction of styling travel is to everyone's taste and whether the elegance of Pinin is missed..
picture nicolas jeannier http://www.arthomobiles.fr/Maranello2016/Big/IMG_0060.JPG http://www.arthomobiles.fr/Maranello2016/Big/IMG_0061.JPG some sort of hybrid component testing.. http://www.arthomobiles.fr/Maranello2016/Big/IMG_0049.JPG http://www.arthomobiles.fr/Maranello2016/Big/IMG_0045.JPG
I can not see the F12M having more power than the TDF,will most probably been the same power output with the refinement and rear wheel steer as an option. Inside will be lusso gadgetry. TDF is lightweight special edition.
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LOL The rear of F12M looks taller than the F12B....it "might" [emoji6] have more power than TDF hoever due to increased weight (over F12B) it will be slower than the TDF....has 4 wheel steering
I think things have move on since that article..... Much to my disgust (DC), I note 'black holes' on the covered mule pics-don't tell me they are about to become mainstream!
I want to abduct you and to force you to draw a Facial composite of the car ahahahah Anyway, thank you very much for those informations !
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Isn't that 458 the one that was supposed to be the V6T mule about a year ago - in which case the kit could be to develop 'real world' emissions numbers Found it: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2018-ferrari-dino-first-pictures-details
I think you are on to something regarding the emissions testing. For myself: I don't like the FF styling, never did, and think the GTC4 (I can't bring myself to call it Lusso!) is much better- even though many think it looks very similar- to me they changed enough details and made it less heavy looking and prettier/ more Ferrari. But, I do love the F12 as it is. So will the changes mean I won't like the F12M? I'm excited to find out! I suspect at first I will think its too aggressive, and then sometime in a few years I'll say- oh now I get it! (This happens a lot with me- its just how I am). So we are getting closer! I have a feeling they won't disappoint us- UNLESS- black is the only spec available for the wheels!
I usually do the same, because as in this case it will be natural to compare it to the familiar outline of the F12 so my brain will see the extra/different lines as an intrusion of the F12 design at first. I did the same with the Lusso and whilst i'm still not in love with it it looks much better now than it did when i first saw it.
That makes perfect sense. They are really the masters of this. So whenever they do something I think is crazy, I have to remind myself- they know what they are doing. It doesn't mean they are right 100% of the time, but it does mean we should be careful to allow for time before making harsh criticism. They are not just designing for today, but for tomorrow as well.
You are so right. First sight of the tdf I was not impressed and I think that applied to many of us and yet now I think it is one of the best looking cars they have made since the 275 GTB. But then this is what clever designers do, they have the ability to develop the future which they can see clearly and which takes our non designer eyes time to adapt. I remember when Audi launched the big Auto Union style grille and I thought ridiculous, and yet only a few months later was questioning myself and six months later realised the non huge grille looked just so old. As you rightly say, they really are masters at this so I am confident we are in for something very exciting and somewhat surprising.
One guys' quote from LP: Ferrari has their dealer launch for the F12M in 2 weeks in the US and a private VIP showing in Italy in Feb with the offical launch at Geneva in March. I'm good friends with a very senior guy at Ferrari and he is telling me to expect 800hp, he has seen the car allready. There reason I'm mentioning this is lambo will obviously capitalise on the hype also, hence I would say that we will know more in Jan. I do know someone who has actually driven the car allready, in fact it was a test car with cetenario entertainment system, he couldn't tell me much though. With the launch of both of these cars it should be an exciting 2017.
