my own personal opinion was that the Advanced Design car from Boniface was too close to the '69 that Ed owns which was being used as the inspiration. I believe the photos are in the 'New Camaro' book of both clay models. T. Peter's car was more expressive in my view, and newer looking, but certainly could be labeled a caricature To me and many of my peers, they used the wrong car as inspiration. I wanted to see the 2nd Gen Camaro from '70 1/2 as the inspiration, NOT the '69. But I guess the hard core Camaro junkies think the '69 is THE quintessential Camaro. What do I know.
You know a lot. The 66-69 were nice enough. The 69 did add some muscle to the design that made it more distinctive. But overall it set no new ground; GM's interpretation of a 3 box Mustang. Now the 70 1/2 did set its own standard. In retrospect a bit bloated but perfectly fine for its time. The 3rd generation was new and fresh and a further advancement. I look at the current Camaro and shake my head. It is retro gone wrong. Do a second generation (should we now call it 3rd generation 1966-69) iteration that buys all new everything but is still stuck in a time warp. If they had taken the original 70 1/2 as the new interpretation then they would have gone down the same retro dead end - go through each of the original generations and eventually do the 3rd time first generation in 10 or so years? The Camaro is a great starting package. Take that to make the best new original design. Lead the way forward!
having owned a '70.5 many yrs ago, I believe it was a very European, clean starting point foe a 'new' Camaro to your point, the '69 was a redo of a 3 box Mustang, albeit a good one for me they stayed too close to the '69 and wound up looking way too retro for my taste, but then that strategy worked for Mustang & Challenger as we all know Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
For the 70 1/2 Firebird, Mark says that Delorean would keep telling the studio to make it as pretty as the Ghibli. GM could have done so much more with the current model. Did you ever get to be part of the Camaro or Firebird studios? The current Challenger works well - probably a testament to just how sophisticated the original design was. What they will ever do for an encore is a complete mystery - if FCA lasts that long.
No, never worked on Firebird/Camaro. Camaro was always in Chev 3 Studio with the Corvette. Firebird/Bonneville were in the Pontiac 2 Studio. I was Chief in Pontiac 1 Studio, Grand Prix/Grand Am.
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Overall, it's not bad. Need to see it in person. This whole mines bigger than yours (faster) is reaching a point where it's getting silly. But I guess the bragging rights are important to some
Early 2nd gen are such a clean design. My preference was for the RS option split front bumper. Late 2nd gen gives me the sadz. The "disco Camaro"
Thought about scraping the speed stuff.....posting rather for the design.... Still has a bit of "angry mouth" but maybe not as bad as the typical Japanese 'super'cars... I do wonder when/if todays designers will find another, perhaps less aggressive, look to [copy]? IMHO it's probably a reflection of society/culture today, where aggression is more accepted/accepted (thinking movies & games, where mayhem rules and no one really dies). Probably not going to change much in [my] lifetime...;-) Do you see similar designs coming out of your students?
Interesting observation. I have this talk with every class. Accepting that they all grew up with Transformers/Anime/Batman/video games, etc. they don't see it as aggressive like I do. This trend from the major manufacturers is really bugging me lately. Each new car appears to be vying for THE most gaping maw look available. I just don't get it. While understanding the need for cooling requirements, they've taken it to the extramarital as of late. Then again is the alternative this? I hope not. Warm & cuddly isn't my thing either. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Rob Ida design & build. Channeling F&F and Saoutchik..... https://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2016/11/29/sensational-mercury-custom-shown-at-aaca-museum/?refer=news John- are your students 'into' custom cars/shows at all? Or is that kind of thing an anachronism to them? Image Unavailable, Please Login
Out of a class of 17, 9 are from Korea. Their automotive cultural background is totally different from our own. Of the American students, yes we've had some very cool gearheads. Drag racing, hot rods & customs. But I think that's the exception rather than the rule. Several semesters ago a brother team did a nostalgia roadster, hot rod project. I'll look for some photos.
>50%! Interesting..... What is your typical breakdown of nationalities? More offshore than domestic? Very interesting trend, if that's what it is....
At our school it's a reality. Every class @ 50% are Koreans. Of those Koreans probably 75% - 80% are former Korean Nationals, most having severed their military obligations They know they can't work here without a work permit/green card, so they think they'll go to Europe or Asia/China The rest are from the USA. Also gaining more Chinese students these last several yrs
This is said to be in support of and further marketing of the V-series brand. I can't help but believe this is an indication of a genuine sports / performance coupe, perhaps through the sharing of the future vette platform. If the oft rumored mid engine vette is coming to fruition, believe sharing would certainly be a necessity given the platform development cost.
