Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

That was at Fiorano, though. So it doesn't really count since it was past the maximum grade allowed for a dragstrip. That does bring up another question: has the laf ever actually done a legit timed drag? Does anyone know?

 

The difference in gradient is minute and bear in mind also that a purpose drag strip offers more grip with the laid tyre and everything.

 

I know it would seem so, but even for these cars the rate of acceleration slows a lot between 150 and 200 mph. Let's say we take the R&T test as gospel, and I believe it's the highest level a LAF could possibly achieve, then it took the car 1.3 seconds to go from 140-150. Let's assume the rate of acceleration drop off is linear (which it likely isn't) then 1.5 seconds 150-160, 1.7 seconds 160-170 and then 1.9 seconds 170-180. That's 5.1 seconds or 14.9 to 180. You need to add another 1.5 or so to get to 186.4. That leaves 16.5 seconds in the best case scenario. I think in reality the LAF is a 17-17.5 second car to 300 kph, or a little bit slower than a P1 and about a second faster than a 918.

It was a hell of a claim Ferrari made, and the car just doesn't meet the claim. But it's worth $5 million secondhand so who the hell really cares.

 

Care to expand on this? Won't blame you if you don't.

 

exoticcardreamer is very experienced with these cars, much more than most...he really does track his P1 w/ LaF and 918. It's an amazing sight.

 

Don't doubt it

 

+1

 

You have to give credit to the driver who drove the SV and set the sub 7min lap. He's got BIG B*LLS with the way he wrestled that SV around the Ring.

Compared to the record lap done by M. Lieb, it almost seems non-eventful. Anyone who has driven to the 918 hard on the track will know that the car is actually quite tricky to drive on the limit. It is a 3600lbs car and the all wheel drive system likes to be driven a certain way. I can understand why someone like Chris Harris would prefer the P1 over the 918.

918 requires a very specific driving style to extract its lap time and when you do, the performance is mega. Hence this is why at the hands of a true pro like Randy Pobst, the result speaks for itself. And no, for the record, Chris Harris is not in the same level as Pobst or d'Ambrosio, not even close. Harris raced the Bentley in the Amateur class.

But I will give the P1 this. Having driven the P1 many times, you do feel more engaged in the P1 on the track than the 918. The driving engagement in the P1 is better than the 918. Certainly, P1 has the best brake pedal feel of the 3.

 

you have forgotten a few laptimes and goodwood isn't a good measure as the list of laptimes will tell you

the trofeo laptime on angelsey wasn't done on the same day and the 918 laptime was set with the roof off which does affect the aerodynamics

i hope you know know the SELECTIVE BIAS, CONFIRMATION BIAS and COGNITIVE BIAS because you are displaying both of them

 

I am sorry but that's pure conjecture, especially the random numbers. What we know is that the 0-124 mph claim seems correct. Based on that we have no reason to assume that the 0-186 mph claim isn't real either.

 

Nope, I've posted videos and data logs to prove all my points, which is more than I can say for other protagonists in this discussion. I'm sorry if they don't fit the false narrative being pushed. And now substantiating your argument is called OCD. First it was over-exposing facts, now it's OCD.

As regards the other point, everything is relative.

 

Except no dice, because Sport Auto tested the production version and managed 7:13, then Auto Zeitung tested the SV and made 7:15. Then the 918 went around Balocco (a 2:40 lap) slower than a Huracan on Trofeos. This is not pre-production vs production upgrades, this is a matter of HL mode longevity in the real world.

 

You seem confused. IPAS does not add power if you are already in race mode, it only provides the full power outside of race mode. The car already produces >900hp in race mode, which is why it's faster than the other two in a straight line once rolling.

As regards performance without e-power, the P1 and LaF would comfortably whoop the 918.

I just saved him the time.

 

Didn't last 6:57 though, even with it recalibrated for the 'ring lap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV8aNwEBPTQ

And what happened on Balocco?

Balocco lap times - FastestLaps.com

What happened on laps 2 and 3 of Laguna Seca (see graph posted earlier)?

Doesn't appear to last more than 2 minutes. If the 918 had a girlfriend, she would definitely be very unimpressed.

 

We covered this before, all his times are a mile out. And it's a somewhat shallow victory when you destroy your battery and the other car is in limp mode because of the 125degF heat. And when all your drivers have strong affiliations with Porsche, it's somewhat questionable. So I discount him, he's not a respected organisation. I also didn't include the COTA times or Spa times if you note, because the cars are capable of better. Even the driver of the Hyper 5 test said it wasn't a serious test because he was trying not to crash customer cars. Roof off, roof on, slow track, no difference. Drag slightly increased, weight and CoG slightly lower. Porsche are welcome to ask them to re-run the lap with the roof on if you like, even on Trofeos if you like. Overall Porsche is very lucky that more of these test aren't conducted on F1 GP tracks.


Honda NSX vs McLaren 675LT - FastestLaps.com
NSX vs 675LT
Top Gear Track 1:17.60 1:13.70 +4s
Sachsenring 1:34.60 1:30.52 +3s
Hockenheim Short 1:10.30 1:07.20 +3s
Anglesey GP 1:35.7 1:41.7 +6s
Thermal Club Raceway 1:21.90 1:22.62 -1s - NSX lap by Graham Rahal

Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV vs Porsche 911 GT3 RS - FastestLaps.com
911 GT3 RS vs Aventador LP750-4 SV
Balocco 2:45.78 2:41.11 +4s
Hockenheim Short 1:08.50 1:07.80 +1s
Sachsenring 1:33.34 1:31.79 +2s
Nürburgring Nordschleife 7:20.00 6:59.73 +20s (long track)
Thermal Club Raceway 1:22.64 1:23.56 -1s

675LT vs LaFerrari
Anglesey Coastal 1:12.80 1:12.10 -0.7s
Thermal Club Raceway 1:22.62 1:18.46 -4s
Top Gear Track 1:13.70 1:14.20 +0.5s
Portimao 1:54.70 1:54.25 -0.45s

675LT vs 918 Spyder
Goodwood Hill climb 1:06.22 1:06.09 0s
Thermal Club Raceway 1:22.62 1:17.18 -5.5s
Le Mans (Bugatti) 1:44.04 1:42.63 -1.4s
Anglesey Coastal 1:12.80 1:12.40 -0.4s
Willow Springs 1:24.29 1:23.54 -0.75s
Vairano Handling Course 1:10.10 1:09.54 -0.56s
Hockenheim Short 1:07.20 1:06.30 -0.9s
Portimao 1:54.70 1:53.98 -0.72s

Viper ACR vs 918 Spyder
Thermal Club Raceway 1:21.86 1:17.18 +4.7s
Thermal Club Raceway Long 2:14.63 2:10.21 +4.4s
Laguna Seca (post 1988) 1:28.65 1:29.89 -1.25s
Willow Springs 1:21.24 1:23.54 -2.3s
Virginia International Raceway Grand East Course (post 01/2014) 2:40.02 2:43.10 -3s

 

I used the fastest times for each track, which is what this is about, the Grand Tour laps were not the fastest. If you want to talk consistency, then lets run 2-3 laps back-to-back.

 

Come on, let's not put on rose-tinted spectacles here. The LaF is a fantastic car and better than the 918 in my opinion and better than the P1 on some tracks, and certainly has more appropriately sized tyres.... BUT, it does not have a kerb weight of 1360kg, or anywhere close, nor does it do 9.6@157 for the quarter, even when the times are measured down a hill at Fiorano where the start and finish height discrepancy is massively outside the NHRA permitted deviation.

 

Harris wasn't the only one driving though. Tiff Needell and Marino Franchitti also drove each car and the best times went forward as the timed laps. So Harris's test was far more thorough and yes, at least 2 of drivers were of an equal standard and there were 3 of them. All with full telemetry.

Now the Grand Tour test. Lots of questions. Did it really happen as shown, I doubt it, but if it did then the driver drifted the P1 around two corners at 1:05.57 and 1:06.27. That is not how you drive a timed lap, anyone from a rank amateur to a top pro knows that.

 

The V-BOX proved that it does 9.7s for the 1/4 mile @ 148 mph and not on a sticky drag strip either. On standard Corsas too. And a stickier tyre (Trofeos or even Cup 2s) makes a big difference even in a straight line. See what a difference they make on an F12: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/reviews/a5969/ferrari-f12berlinetta-road-test/

 

They aren't "random numbers" though. The 140-150 time was actually from the RT article. And the 130-140 acceleration took 1 second so I was generous to the LAF in my assumption. If you understand how an acceleration curve works on a car you'll know it's not conjecture at all. They are all logarithmic because unless, like a rocket ship or something, the LAF or any other car has a second engine that deploys when the first is tapped out, it cannot increase its rate of acceleration. Physics doesn't allow it and I've seen enough real life 0-186 acceleration curves including from my friends P1 and 918 that clearly show it as well.

Also it's much easier to do 0-124 in less then 7 seconds (but not easy it's still incredible) than 0-186 in less than 15 seconds (which was the big claim Ferrari made). I evidence this statement by the fact that 15 years ago a car that could do 0-62 in under 3 seconds was unheard of and now it seems like every new performance car does it. Soon it'll be like that with 0-124.

Remember, Bugatti also claimed the Veyron SS does 0-186 in 14.7 seconds I believe and it's been tested at around 17..5-18.0 seconds. It's a really hard number to crack.

 

Err... the P1 did a 9.8@149 on a damp Dunsfold with Corsas too in MT test. And that was on level ground.

The Ferrari's measured times with R&T and C&D are way of the claimed 157mph trap and most importantly illegitimate.

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Besides this, the P1 has proved that it has the fastest acceleration from 60mph onwards beyond any shadow of a doubt in multiple tests.

 

Pardon me but there is nothing indisputable about that. lol

 

lol. The 918 set the fastest production car time ever at Nring. Your vaunted P1 ran away and hid and won’t show its time. That's an undisputable fact. Which car should be criticized?

 

Thanks, this proves my point even better than that the P1 couldn't afford an hot lap mode as it can't afford to go anywhere near 0% battery charge or it would suddenly have massive turbo lag. So don't think it would whoop the 918 both without e-power.
Race mode in the P1 is comparable to the 918's "hot lap" then as both already draw max power they can from the battery and both will lose performance if kept being driven hard lap after lap.

 

Okay, show me one same day acceleration test, or acceleration test on level ground where the LaF has beaten the P1 or made a higher peak speed on straights during hot laps.