Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

You know there are some other really great threads on this board, right?

 

You're going round in circles here. I don't think McLaren has anything to prove. Why? because an Aventador SV set a 6:59 and even the slower 675LT has stuffed that on every single track.

McLaren 675LT vs Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV - FastestLaps.com

675LT Aventador LP750-4 SV
Hockenheim Short 1:07.20 1:07.80
Vairano Handling Course 1:10.10 1:11.84
Le Mans (Bugatti) 1:44.04 1:47.35
Sachsenring 1:30.52 1:31.79
Motortrend Figure-8 0:22.40 0:23.10
Willow Springs 1:24.29 1:25.42

The 918's time isn't even quick, it shows up its lack of longevity, hell it's not even considered the record in the UK because the SR8 LM went faster ages ago and the US road legal Radical RXC Turbo 500R will literally obliterate it shortly too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Mbc192qGc&t=4s

 

Oh I know, and if people were to stop arguing with proven, cast iron facts I may even visit them.

 

That's not going to happen. There are no winners in this argument, only losers.......

 

Yawn, except only the 918 does. We've been over this several times already. Here's the proof again though.

Poor red can't carry on.



But good old blue, he took the milky way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idV6zMiWUIU&t=5s

 

I really don't think 5/6 min running hard is a good sample. Would like to see the drop in performance after 10/15min running hard or 2 consecutive laps of the ring to have a better idea.

 

Well owners suggest that you'll run out of fuel before you run out of charge and 5 minutes with zero tail off (0.02s difference in lap time) is considerably better than 1.5s tail off after 3 minutes and -300hp after 6 minutes. Most YT videos don't last that long though, regardless of the car.

But let me refer you back to these technical facts. The P1 has the lowest power draw relative to battery size, even when the 918 is out of HL mode, and by far the lowest current draw relative to battery size. The lower current draw is very important for maintaining performance as the battery begins to drain.

LaFerrari -
163ps (120kW),
480V,
250A,
2.3kWh,
146kg or 60kg? 146kg may include e-motor?
0.038kWh/kg
52.17kW/kWh
106.5A/kWh



918 -
312+ps (230kW),
385V,
606A,
6.8kWh
138kg
0.049kWh/kg
33.8kW/kWh
89.11A/kWh
Road Test: 2014 Porsche 918 Spyder Review


P1 -
179ps (131kW),
535V,
245A, (131,000W/535V)
4.7kWh
96kg
0.049kWh/kg
27.9kW/kWh
52.1A/kWh
Exclusive: McLaren P1 Review - GTspirit
http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a508/sigmafour1/P1%20Battery_zpsr34rdooy.png

 

You won't run out of battery on the P1 because it won't let you do that as some e-power is always needed for the turbo fill in but the performance will drop below a certain percentage of battery left as more and more of the ECU is dedicated at recharging the batteries. Do you agree?

 

You know, what...? You can use this fake graph as a toilet paper and please stop manipulating all the people here.

Motor Trend gave all the available data logs and they clearly show, what type of BS you and the owner of the P1 were talking back then...
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So, no consecutive laps for both cars. Actually 918 was more consistent in laps 3 and 4 if we look it in this way...

P1 was doing lap/modification/lap order and after double amount of laps... couldn't beat it.

 

I think it's damn difficult anyway, big battery relative to power draw (>2x capacity of LaF battery with similar power draw) and copious opportunities to recharge battery from engine during braking, cornering and low speed acceleration (TCS active).

And turbo-fill is only really needed for corner exits and most of the time, you have way too much power at these points anyway, from there on DCT negates any lag that was suffered in the days of old school manuals.

 

Treynor has already responded to this. The P1 data is from the hot-lapping period where they were deliberately doing 1 hot lap and then a rest lap. On sequential laps there was only 0.2s in the difference, which was down to cornering not acceleration. The 918 data confirms that the 918 is 1s slower on lap two. You forget Jason Hart's COTA laps already prove the P1 can operate for 5 minutes without power reduction, completely independent of Treynor's evidence, so the P1's abilities are not in question in this regard, so all you've done is prove the 918's weakness.

Summary: Nice try but no cigar.

 

Oops!

 

Yeah, of course. MT are lying, a lost P1 customer who said you something is right��
What a surprise, again, haha

 

They aren't lying, what you have is a subset of the data. As I've said, see Jason Hart COTA. P1's performance does not drain during a 5 minute hot lapping period - incontrovertible video evidence - or is the video lying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idV6zMiWUIU&t=99s

918's performance does decay - Treynor's graph and statements + your lap time table + dead battery on 'ring record lap + beaten by Huracan at Balocco. I rest my case. BTW if you're accusing Ben of lying, go talk to him directly on McLife but basically Jason Hart has already proved him right in real time.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufVQ-UKZbro

From 9:00 Goodwin explains how they tuned the recharging system to be able to make ONE whole lap of the Ring at max power which implies a second lap would be much slower. So similar phylosophy as in the 918, with its most aggressive mode tuned for no more than 1 lap of the Ring from fully charged.

 

Guys, just please stop responding to Lieven. He has nothing to do besides scan the internet for random bits of info that support his views. If you actually have a job/life and don't have time for this then move on. We can have a perfectly good thread without anyone responding to his posts.

 

Precisely! These are first generation hybrid hypercars. What comes next from MB, AM-RB, or Ksegg will greatly improve upon these cars. Making this whole argument so stupid.

 

My only experience with the subject is vicariously by watching exoticcardreamers track session with the 'holy trinity.' I believe that they are all great cars and are so close to each other that many other variables will come into play for who comes out on top. Hypothetically, If I were to win the lottery - and acquire all 3 - I know my lack of track skills - would quickly overshadow any performance edge of any 3.

Lieven is saying the P1 is faster/better then LaF/918. Would Superman beat Batman and would Batman beat Iron Man? - not a big deal in any scenario; I doubt the person about to drop millions on the charity for LaF soon, will flinch if they knew the P1 was 'faster.'

I reserve my 'measuring stick' for where it officially counts; - F1 - and we have been being spanked for ten years now. (to my great displeasure)

Want to measure tenths of a second between McLaren/Ferrari? f1.com

 

You are hilarious. If you look at the Motor Trend data, it clear shows that the 918's second consecutive hot lap is only 0.05 slower than the P1's FASTEST lap. How much of a drop off on the P1's second consecutive hot lap? 0.3-0.5s?

So in a two laps race, the P1 will be trailing the 918 by over 1.3-1.5s. So much for "P1" huh?

 

So that was a minimum requirement, yet still over and above what the 918 could manage. Meanwhile owners state running out of fuel before running out of charge.

 

8 years, but more or less agree. The task of getting acquainted with these cars in the space of a day is also fairly hilarious, even more so for the MR cars, which is another reason the 918 seems to do favourably.

 

When they ran the laps consecutively, there was only a 0.2s difference in P1 laps and very little difference in acceleration and treynor will verify this. The 918 dropped off 1s and then 1.5s and the acceleration tail-off was huge.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/attachments/288gto-f40-f50-enzo-laferrari/2324204d1480428303-ferrari-laferrari-vs-mclaren-p1-vs-porsche-918-hltailoff.jpg

You're also deliberately ignoring Jason Hart's COTA lap where he does a 2:17.49 and then a 2:17.51 back to back, unedited. Note peak speed on longest straight on each lap and note 918's peak speed on straights in consecutive laps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idV6zMiWUIU&t=5s

On top of that the minimum in the design spec was a full Nordschleife lap at peak power, as stated in Igor's video link. Learn to deal with the truth.

 

Not true as 918 still holds the record and not completely running out of batteries means absolutely nothing as explained, just like battery specs mean nothing on their own. You've run out of arguments and made up stuff, it's getting really boring. P1 is the worse car in almost every aspect.

Btw don't like either Porsches or Maccas but credit where credit's due.

 

Yup! Thank you for the correction.

Cheers