Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

The definition of deluded is believing a 918 could possibly be faster than a Radical RXC 500. That's straight from a different plane of reality. It's not even close, or ballpark. I mean I guess the 918 is faster than a P1 GTR (wearing slicks) too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Mbc192qGc

 

I guess you don't understand the principle behind a controlled study, but worse you don't have any regard for fabricating a conclusion which the data really does not make a specific statement regarding that conclusion. After withholding opinion for objectivity, I will now agree along with other posters here. You are trolling and don't really have anything other than hyperbole to contribute.

 

So what's your opinion? It gained 4mph on every straight from efficiency savings, and these absolutely massive efficiency savings just slipped the mind of engineers during the initial run.

How exactly do you improve battery efficiency from recalibration BTW, since that's what Porsche stated?

It looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck. You call it a zebra if you like, but I'm calling it a duck.

 

Oh BTW, you think 4mph is small, well check out the speed of the LaFerrari and 918 at the start finish line before the bridge, i.e. where The Grand Tour allegedly started their laps from. LaF is only 1mph ahead of the 918. So has Ferrari massively overclaimed on hp or is the production 918 producing far more power than the pre-production one, which is when the specs were baselined? Did they gain 80-100hp from efficiency savings? You really believe that? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3YPTkBRaOk

 

You are just too much. Christophe Tinseau ran LMP1 in the 24 hours Le Mans (2008 finished 7th) and LMP1 Le Mans series as recently as 2011, and you think he can't drive a piddly race car wannabe like the Radical properly? Give your head a shake.

I don't doubt some street legal stunt race car like a Radical or Aerial Atom will be able to beat the current 3 hypercars on a track, but these are not real street cars, so I dismiss them as comparables in any event. Can you imagine driving the Radical on a winding ocean side highway on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Yeah, neither can I.

The brilliance of the 3 hypercars is the fact that they can be driven comfortably on roads, and put down amazing lap times. Those stunt cars are one trick ponies.

 

And it still lost. However, he will not accept that fact. Can we just all stop responding to him though? He's bound to get banned from here soon enough just like every other board.

 

So why is he 5s slower in an Aventador SV than a 918 when everyone else is within 1-2s (apart from Salomondrin of course)?

VIR (Full Course) lap times - FastestLaps.com

1. Radical SR8 Chuck Quinton 1:47.80 363 / 650
2. Radical SR3 RSX ( ) Mike Skeen 1:53.30 260 / 570
3. Radical RXC Mike Skeen 1:55.00 385 / 900
4. Dodge Viper ACR (Mk V) Ralph Gilles 1:57.03 654 / 1548

That's the NA 385ps version of the RXC and the same ACR that beat the 918 on Laguna, VIR and Willow Springs.

Yes, he didn't drive the Radical properly, because it's not just slightly faster, it's a million miles faster. It's not like I expect it should run a 1:41 or something, it should be in the low-to-mid-1:30s. That's how crap the time is. And look at his SR3 SL time, meanwhile on Spa - 2:17.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ6Z32L-u2o

Now note the NA RXC with 385ps is roughly as fast as the SR3 SL. Now the RXC Turbo 500 has 530hp. Holy crap, even a rank amateur in an SR3 can beat Tinseau's time in the SR3... and through traffic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1iGX1xJVXM&t=15s

Oh yeah, this too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcx9ikrDRtQ

And his Turbo S time is the same as the SV's time LOL. Great consistency there.

Actually the Radical RXCs will be fully road legal.

I can imagine it yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvL-z9S0iMQ

And what's more, the RXCs can lap all day and aren't a one lap wonder like certain hypercars.

 

Here's a 991 GT3 Cup trying to hold off a Radical SR3 SL with passenger at Spa. Bad mistake.

6:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1iGX1xJVXM&t=15s

 

Oh, that guy (in the video) did some calculations for different types of tyres, just to show (objectively) in examples how it can affect a lap time, so why to ask again here?
Bearing in mind that the "awd and rws" 918 with MPSC2 has so much superior traction to the two rwd "rivals" , one may wonder why it is faster in tests only a fraction of a second than the other two. Yeap, because the 918 project has its drawbacks too.

 

You're a straight up loser, that you find meaning via trolling and 'lists' on the intuhnet. Bottom line, you don't know jack! Track conditions? Specifics of the day? It's just a plain list.

I'll leave it at this as I will not reply to your bs again. There are several 'small' improvements on customer 918's that contribute to the 'whole'. There's more to it than simply increasing discharge rate to gain a few mph. In your desperate attempt to marginalize the engineering achievement that is 918, you simply don't know jack.

 

Caparo T1 still hasnt been beaten on TGTT

infact i think the caparo T1 is unbeatable even by the ACR and gives the SR8 som hefty competition

 

I'm afraid that's not the case, if something sounds to good to be true it probably is.

If the battery on the 'ring car lasted 6 minutes, explain why on the 2nd lap of a 90s track, it was 1s down, and had noticeably slower acceleration on the straights and then 1.5s down the following lap. This does not sound like efficiency improvements to me.

Perhaps it's you who is trying to exaggerate the engineering. Basically Sport Auto tested the 918 against the P1 on Hockenheim Short in 2014 and never released any times, then the 918 suddenly got quicker, sometimes 1+1 does just equal 2.

 

Shame then that the P1 still has the fastest times on most tracks. That is the definition of 'P1' right. And that's what really eats you from the inside out.

Algarve International Circuit (Portimao) lap times - FastestLaps.com

1. McLaren P1 Chris Harris 1:51.78 916 / 1490
2. Porsche 918 Spyder Chris Harris 1:53.98 887 / 1640
3. Porsche 918 Spyder Jérôme d'Ambrosio 1:54.20 887 / 1640
4. Ferrari LaFerrari Chris Harris 1:54.25 963 / 1585

And shame the 918 gets stuffed by LTs on track days when it can't use hot lap mode continuously. 1 lap wonder.

Yes, cheater tyres LOL. Funny you never mention that Cup 2s are cheater tyres relative to Corsas. Or that the 918's tyres are 20mm wider.

 

Hmm, go ask your boss why the McLaren runs too narrow a tire.

Oh wait, cause it's confined by the 12C platform.

The P1 was designed with the Corsa, when the 918 lapped the Top Gear circuit faster than a P1 can, (which is a circuit the P1 was developed on), on goes Trofeo R that's not even the right size.

As for the 'cheater' Cup2s on the 918, yup, they are, cheating on fuel economy. The same sized N1 Cup2s for the GT3RS are sticker version, but those are not constructed to be used on the 918, and the 918 are stuck with the inferior N0 ECO Cup2s.

Give it up, the ECO Cup2s on the 918 is on par with the stock Corsa that the P1 was originally developed with.

 

Haven't seen you post here much lately. Welcome back. I follow your 918 posts on R-list, great stuff.

 

You probably should've put /S or (sarcasm) at the end of your statement just to be safe. But on a side note, we're almost at 1000 pages *celebration*, so lets just keep going until then, and we'll probably have one record for Fchat.
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It sounds familiar - Top Gear magazine tested P1 and 918 (they were the first to test the two together) and although they said on the road tests that the 918 was quicker, they never released the lap times despite saying they would. Wonder what happened there?

 

They crashed the p1

 

Just saw a 60% lighter and more powerful battery coming from formula e for the p1 and a future mclaren model. Also a new e-motor that will take p1 to 1000hp. Its probably been said before but McLaren say they will continue the development of the p1 much the same they have done for f1 with upgrades every so many years. The battery on the p1 design is going on 7 years and nearing EOL so this will be the replacement battery. P1 is already fairly light for a hybrid so this is exciting the new battery is significantly lighter and more powerful.

 

I'm sure Porsche and Ferrari will do similar updates if the tech merits it. When it comes to the P1 though, I'm not sure more speed/acceleration is what is needed. Already is a handful. Maybe wider tires or 4wd would be best.

 

I don't think they're trying to make p1 faster. McLaren could care less what Ferrari and Porsche are doing. The battery is running out of life and they are just working on its inevitable replacement.

However none of us are going to complain about losing 150+ pounds. A lighter car is simply more enjoyable for handling and braking.

 

I disagree with the first statement and but definitely agree with the second.

 

Perhaps I said that incorrectly. I should have said McLaren could care less about the 918 and LaFerrari.

Of course they care about Porsche and Ferrari. That came out wrong, sorry.