'Official' F12M Rumours and Launch

Good news Kid,
I'll get mine spring 2018

 

Ingegnere made some amazing F12M sketches! I still remember his sketch on 458 successor thread. IMO, that sketch showed better surface and vents shaping than what we finally saw on 488 GTB.

 

Brilliant! I just hope that doesn't mean you are getting rid of the FF [emoji15]

 

+1

Ingegnere as head of design at ferrari !! I vote !

 

No, I'll keep the FF and add the F12M.

 

Bravo!

 

Correct. Another thing to remember is: "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

That's indeed awesome. That trend just doesn't happen anymore and it's good to see Ferrari does it.

Of course, Ferrari was on a trend to have single tail lights per side on everything before the update: LaF, F12, FF, etc. Now everything is heading back to double tail lights per side. Maybe they will do the same for LaF, too?

 

Thanks guys, but I only draw what they CREATE! And in the words of Mark Knopfler, I've got a daytime job, I'm doin' alright ;-)

I think they have a lot of talent there, starting with Manzoni - have you seen HIS sketches? These guys are artists in the purest sense.

Having said that, one criticism of the current design direction at Ferrari is that there seems to be a calculated effort to distinguish themselves design-wise from the rest of the pack by emphasizing graphical design elements and extraneous design elements over purity of form - see the side scoop on 488, "Tensostruttura" on LaF, baroque elements on the Cali T and the meandering fender line on the Lusso.

Also, they seem to be very much in the mold of fashion designers, in the sense of changing for the sake of change - and planned obsolescence. As in, the new 2-taillights is 4 taillights:

 

You are fortunate...nothing here in USA to order yet.

 

Maybe in smaller countries, the dealer(s) know their allocations before the larger markets with multiple dealers. I was given the month and am waiting for Tailor Made slot - Scraggy apparently has a different experience. I was asked for, and paid, my deposit. Will see how this falls out.

 

Deceiving F12 picture. That one is not stock and has aftermarket black trim kits on the hood vent, front bumper, side rockers and tail lip in an effort to draw a greater comparison to the image of the people commuter car below it. There is no comparison with lesser class vehicles and no competition in its class. Similarities stop at having four wheels.

 

Regarding the interior, apparently it will not be similar to the Lusso with large central screen etc but more of an evolutionary change from the current F12 - similar to the interior evolution from 458 to 488

 

Hi Daniel,
When I read your question I had a very fast reaction: Front engine NA V12 high revving HP oriented motor IS Ferrari! I mean, think back to their glorious history and that layout is what really made the company. BUT then I realized they went through a period when they did mid mounted V12s and they still stayed in business. Did Ferrari lose any luster during this time? I can't say for certain, but I have a feeling if they did, it was not a prolonged absence. They have always made dream cars.

But coming back to it, I think this layout is a direct link, and thus, a reminder to the glorious past. And I think Ferrari really got their timing right. They were so successful during the time before regulations made street cars somewhat dull. And the success, and glamor from the success and from selling race cars you can drive on the road, stuck in the imagination of automotive enthusiasts everywhere. I think many of these Ferraris represent the pinnacle of the type of engineering prevalent before the regulations. The regulations forced everyone to change. I think that is part of the magic of these "Enzo era" cars. Fiat came in right about the same time as the regulations.

I also think this layout is a better choice for those using these cars as a proper GT: its more space efficient, and having the motor over the front makes the handling behavior more typical of what most people are used to. Also it makes the car feel more stable around highway sweepers. From a styling stand point, I think the front engine V12s tend to look more "classy" and "elegant" than the mid mounted cars. I use the quotes because thats just how I see it and others might see it differently.

As to others with front V12 + RWD, as mentioned we have Aston. Also Mercedes is around and I believe BMW will be returning to the field with an 8 series in a few years. I could also point out Rolls Royce and Bentley- though especially Bentley has AWD. In the end, these are all fine vehicles and each has its charms. But, my opinion is none combines the superlative nature of Ferrari's V12 (vicious AND refined at the same time!) with a chassis at home both on public roads AND a race track plus Italian design and style. There is only one Ferrari.

 

They will go for triple tail lights as seen on the 365GTC/4, 365Gt4 2+2 and 365 Boxer next

 

Am sure practice varies, I am deposited as well but while a U.K. dealer will have an informed speculation re build slots this is not at all formalised with Ferrari. Indeed the car was only "confirmed" last week.

GTC best "guesses" in the U.K. RHD are 6 months behind the "guesstimate'.

 

I'm not in the UK; I put a deposit on an "F12M" about 6 months ago. As I understand it, there are no formal allocations yet, no hard data has been released to dealers. So right now they are just stacking up orders using whatever decision criteria they see fit to decide the sequence and will "take the next off the top" when an allocation slot is confirmed.

Also I am told 6.5L NA, 4WS, interior refresh; "other things I will like". All very non-specific. Could just be my dealer.

I operate in multiple countries; I have noticed in some countries the dealers seem to be better connected (and informed, equipped) than with others - with larger countries not necessarily at the more informed end of the spectrum.

 

I put a letter of intent in with my local dealer in July. I have been chasing it up with them over the last few weeks and was finally told they are not taking deposits until the car is physical, then spoke to the manager there, who also told me, they get all of the letters of intent in and then choose with Ferrari in which order the customers get their cars!!! I explained this is not a low volume car, but he said that that is how THEY do it, so he could not guarantee me where in the pecking order I would come, even though I was one of the first to give them a letter of intent and I have bought a car from them a few years ago and they have done all my service work, since then, on my modern cars.

So I spoke to another small dealer who I have dealt with recently who is not local, he told me if I paid my 20K deposit, I would have their 3rd or forth car. So that's is what I have done. Its such a shame that there is no consistency in the dealer network work, and it is in no way transparent, how they work.
I would much rather have used the local dealer, but from now on I will give my business to the other dealer who has been straight with me in the past and I bought my F12 from.

 

Thank you for saying this. Well expressed and carrying weight from someone with your sense of design. Personally hoping for restrained surface excitement with real design and form enhancement for the M.

 

Interesting experience with different Ferrari dealers, thanks for sharing. For this new one you get to order the color combination; so maybe a blue one like the Spyder...

 

No question Ferrari had enjoyed great success with the tried and true motor in front of the driver models. However Lamborghini came along with the Miura and that all changed. Two years later Ferrari brought out it's new 365 GTB/4 model. It was to the disappointment of many that Ferrari didn't offer a mid-engine car to match the Miura. Part of the problem was that Ferrari thought the mid-engine layout should be reserved for racing drivers. Many years would pass before Ferrari finally built the 365 GT/4 BB. Nice as the front engine 12's are they have been supplanted even today by the mid-engine 12 cylinder models.

 

New F12 M is a whole new V12 engine and is last V12 with out elec


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So here's a question I'd be interested in people's responses.

I LIKE the idea of combining a NA engine with low down torque of electric (ie. I like LaF), combined with a zero emissions limited range (as in 918).

So do we mourn the last of the pure V12 NA, or do we celebrate the fusion of two great technologies (electric + n/a) without the drawbacks of forced induction?

 

Your question is quite interesting. I'm personnaly completey convinced of your second possibility.

Electric power doesn't remove anything of the thrill or the sound of a High revolving NA engine.

I think some people are confusing the effects of electric power with the effects of turbocharging.

 

The advantage of electric motors is torque which we already have plenty of, in fact our traction control in the TDF is working any time your hard on the pedal in any of the first three gears. The disadvantage is lugging all the extra weight from batteries and electric motors around corners and into braking zones. If it's a true kers system on the other hand it could help braking, but we still have to contend with the weight in respect to handling.

Please just give us a light weight mid engine V12 carbon monocoque, a la P4, even keep the styling in a modern version.