Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Dude,

Again, AP said such a great STICKY tire. He didn't say MORE STICKY or STICKIER.

STOP TWISTING WRODS!!!

Also different interviews. One talk about Michelin's new sticky Cup2 tires.

The other one talks about the GT3RS has more traction over the GT3.

 

The information about the N1 GT3RS Cup2s are stickier than the ECO rated N0 on the 918 comes straight from Michelin.

Hmm, so you the internet surfer knows more about those tires than the people that actually makes them.

Interesting argument. Do you even think you have even one iota of creditability on the forums? I know I do.

 

At least they weren't reversing them around the circuit..... I am assuming nothing except being entertained from them AND YOU ARE TAKING THIS WAY TOO SERIOUSLY....... IMO there is nothing official about Nurburging testing apart from internet BS

 

BTW, did you know that Graham, Alejandro both belongs to the 918 Owners Group? Everyone knows each other and are great friends with each other too.

We have such great fun talking about you behind the doors.

 

It doesn't even matter if it's run on the same day.

At my track, morning sessions are slower than afternoon sessions. Some tracks are faster in the morning than afternoon.

So even same day tests can varies too.

What's your point again?

 

Sure you do.

 

That's funny because the head of GT cars at Porsche says they're the same.

What about the Mercedes AMG GTRs Cup 2s, I suppose Trofeos are stickier than them too, right?

You do realise the ECO rating has nothing to do with grip right? Only you keep mentioning it as if it means they're covered in melted lard or something.

 

The point is that the tyre test people keep linking as some kind of proof is wrong for a dozen reasons, but especially because the laps were ran on different days and because bespoke Cup 2s are different to each other and regular Cup 2s. The likes of the Z06 and AMG GTR Cup 2s highlight just how wrong people are as regards their assumptions about Cup 2s relative to Trofeos. I mean, it'll be funny when the Mercedes fans start complaining about people using Trofeos.

 

Who said the timed lap is the one being shown on TV with the drifting?

It's editing, nothing more, to make the show more entertaining.

Fact is, a P1 is a second slower than the 918 and LaFerrari on that day in Portimao. That's it.

Yes we know you are upset that the P1 loses again and trying to poke holes where there are none just so you can justify your believe that the P1 is the fastest thing on Earth.

I know one 'track' that the P1 will come out on top every time, so should all future tests between the 3 cars do it on that track alone? So you can be happy?

That track is easy to find, all you need is a 2 mile long runway.

 

On Cup 2s, which are apparently far less sticky than Trofeos. *Yeah right*

 

No ones twisting words. Allow me to quote him again.

A guided tour of the 2015 Porsche 911 GT3 RS ? by the boss by CAR Magazine

Do you understand the meaning of those words?

Still understanding?

If you have any trouble understanding those words, please try reading them slower.

 

Who said the timed lap included the standing start either?

Let's face it, if you can decide what was and wasn't really in the timed lap, so can I. Only way to settle it is unedited laps.

And the P1 was faster on a different day, with unedited lap videos plus telemetry to prove it. So I choose to give greatest weight to the test with actual evidence. Is that somehow illogical to you? If it is, perhaps you should take a step back and examine your own inferences and biases.

 

Seriously, you really have no idea what ECO tires are?

ECO rated tires means they are LOW ROLLING RESISTANCE!

What is LOW ROLLING RESISTANCE? It means they have less grip than normal tires. That's why they can roll farther.

And seriously, stop twisting AP's words, you are combining words from different interviews on different topics in different context into one big soup to fit your argument.

You points are from a internet keyboard warrior who only pick and choose what you want to believe from interviews published. While others got their info from the people BEING INTERVIEWED. First hand knowledge vs 3rd hand knowledge.

You will never ever win this kind of debate. If you and us posted both posted opposite views, how many readers you believe will be on your side vs ours?

 

So Chris is not believable when he did Cup2 vs Trofeo R tire test, but he is all of a sudden your hero when he lap Portimao the fastest in the P1?

Hmmm

 

Who said timed laps CAN NOT be from a standing start?

 

Yes you are.

Obviously the end result is that they didn't actually used the exact same tires from the 918. The size are the same but that' about it. GT3RS gets it's own stickier N1 version. Not he ECO rated N0.

You really cannot comprehend English do you?

He is comparing the grip level of a GT3RS vs a GT3, the GT3RS has much wider tires that's why it has more grip.

And your middle quote just proved my point. It is quite hard to fit wider tires to any chassis. You can see how much work Porsche had to go through to fit wider tires to the 911 body, and you said it's simple and easy to fit wider tires to the 12C platform based P1.

You just shot yourself in the chest with your own shotgun.

 

Ehm.. are you serious? I show you multiple reasons why the One:1 didn't go as fast as it could have and your response is that the time isn't very good and other cars are faster. How can you read something and then completely disregard everything you just read? Are you blinded when presented with reasonable arguments or what's the problem here?

One:1 test:
Me - Reason X, Y and Z is why this car didn't go faster.
You - It's not a very good time so the car sucks.

Multiple tests with P1:
Multiple sources - P1 is not as fast as 918.
You - I don't believe any of them! Look at these 742 reasons and concpiracy theories that proves me right!

Remember when I called you a hypocrite?

Did you even read the link you provided?
Going by what you said it strongly suggests that you didn't, and not one single person is surprised by that.
Also, why exactly should I look at the lap record at Fuji? Is this in line with your arguments that the 918 is slow because other cars are faster than the Aventador SV on tracks other than the Ring?....
You are quite an expert at straw man arguments at least, I'll give you that.

 

Has anyone checked out the recent posts on fastest laptimes? By the way, you can also use this picture to describe the last uh...5 or so pages.
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The timed laps can be run to any rules so long as everyone follows the rules. Difference is that those Uber fan bois like Lieven will look at the areas where their favorite is better and unless the rules suit those areas will complain. The tire debate is simple, if its okay for McLaren to have a second official tire, then it MUST be okay for Ferrari and Porsche to do the same. Anything else is utter BS.

 

page 999, nearly there

 

I guess Chris Harris is totally wrong then.

Tire compounds and treads are always a compromise between best performance vs usability in a wide range of conditions. Because the 918 was developed with only one set of tires, it had to compromise on the performance side, so the cup 2 was used as the best compromise. Same with Laferrari and P1 (originally) and corsa tires. I have yet to see a direct test that shows cup 2 tires are better performance tires. Please provide evidence.

 

This debate is far above my head but I can offer this: I run Cup2s and Trofeo Rs on my 991 GT3 at COTA all the time and alternate sometimes. The two tires are very different. I am over 2 seconds faster consistently on Trofeo Rs. The Trofeos are the stickier, faster tires between those 2!

 

here's the easy explanation: you are a terrible driver That's Lieven's/Mycroft's explanation. And, because a handful of manufacturers equip their cars with Cup 2's as opposed to Trofeo R's (nevermind that real world biz deals (OEM supply deals) are complex sometimes): This PROVES the Cup 2's are superior, and you are simply a bad driver.

 

We've been saying this for hundreds of pages: each car was developed with their own set of compromises, which includes the best compromise in tire choice available at the time. There are no direct tests that proves Cup 2's are faster tires, because they are not.

 

LMAO! I see! Wasn't there a test at Thermal done with both the P1 and 918 on Trofeo R tires? This one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwxNLhhzhUI