Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Has anyone argued that the cup2's he's arguing about are bespoke, and can't really be compared in a regular fashion? Thats like trying to argue shoe size (no pun intended...okay, maybe). Is it possible for Pirelli to make a sticker than normal trofeo, while still being a trofeo? Much like how Michelin for the AMG created a cup2, but then mad another cup2 that is even sticker than the normal cup2, but both still being able to go on the road?

 

Nice job men.

 

Not sure why you guys would give so much credibility to this test. They were only able to do a couple of laps:

Luckily; I know a few people who track at thermal and gave me some comments about times there:

CJ Wilson does 2:10 to 2:12 with a passenger in his p1
P1 GTR did 1:57 with a pro (probably more for his amusement than anything else)
Track record is Prosche gt3R with a time of: 1:56.3

 

This thread is so much better when owners chime in. Thank God for that or we'd just have to read Lievens pointless, unfounded drivel.

 

Oh man, don't say that! Mycroft is gonna destroy you by saying the Trofeo R are the stickier tires.

 

Isn't the times right inline with what you just posted? It was a very hot day and the engine will not be making maximum power, and the high heat is not helping for tire grip, so a few seconds off is expected.

Mycroft will also have a field day about CJ having a 2 second variance on the same day.


*there I did it. I made it go 1000 page. I have the first post on page 1000!!!!!

(patiently waiting for Mycroft to say I didn't. The page count is wrong, the way the post counter work is wrong, I didn't use the same browser, I didn't post on the same day, I didn't type correctly, the forum software is wrong, I didn't actually posted on page 1000, and whatever cute excuses he can come up with. )

 

Yes, the time i posted is in-line with the video test...however, CJ, although a good track driver is still not a pro that would do a video and post it unless he thought it was representative of a true lap time (he only made the comment on my i/g page as did James (GMG owner) and another Porsche GT3 owner who said he did (2:07, 2:10 and remaining laps between 2:14 to 2:20). The rest of the porsche drivers in the comment section didn't believe the 2:07 time (even though the gt3 driver showed a screenshot of his time from his telemetry).

IMO; a lot of these videos from these journalists seem to be more in line with "entertainment purposes". James from GMG who was the hypercar 5 driver told me in person that he thought he only went 85% with the cars because they were 1) street cars 2) not his cars and he didn't want to crash them.

 

Don't tell Lieven that! It doesn't fit with his narrative that the only reason the 918 can occasionally beat the P1 is that it has super sticky cheater cup 2 tires vs all season radial corsa tires the P1 is stuck with.

In reality, the trofeo is the much stickier track tire, not the cup2. The cup2 is a high performance street tire vs trofeo track tire, As you have noticed.

 

Well according to my screen the page count is only at 500 so you are obviously lying. You are not using the forum software to its full potential, just like Clarkson&co with the P1! I could point you to a youtube video to prove all this but that wou.......yeah ok that's enough of that.

On a serious note I really recommend changing the settings to show 40 posts/page. A lot less clicking that way.

 

1000 pages eh.......

I agree that anything will be used to prove that the P1 was hobbled by its tires BUT then that was McLaren's choice and fans have used probably 300 pages explaining why McLaren fitted a different type of tire after the ill fated Evo test. Now they will likely spend another 300 explaining why Porsche cannot be quicker nor be allowed to modify the 918 in anyway. Its all BS........ I was going to buy a P1 but now I won't, you hear me because my ego couldn't handle the fact the 918 might be .1 second quicker. wah, wah, bloddy wah.

Now onto 20,000 posts

 

If anyone P1 owners are looking to sell their cars at steep discounts bc the car is clearly an inferior performance machine please PM me I'll do you a favor and take them off your hands.

 

Great, now Mycroft has more ammo about no one knows how to properly drive a P1, it's tricky to drive blah blah blah blah.

Watch for another 2 pages worth of garbage he spew out.

 

Nah, can't do 40 post/page. That's not standard! It's a bespoke screen format. I also saw you were power drifting with the screen scroll, so your count is definitely not valid! Are we even using the same monitor? Same computer? Same CPU? Same brand of RAM? Does your motherboard came from the same batch of production as mine?

I need you to show me an unedited vid of you flipping through every page one by one. Also you can't do it on a Friday either as Friday is not a proper scroll day. It has to be done in the morning too as in the afternoon the heat makes the scrolling goes slower.

BTW, what's your credential as a scroller? Are you professional? Can you handling 1000 pages?

Maybe we should hire Chris Harris to do the official count, he is a journalist that scroll through 1000s of messages a day. Hell he is better than any professional scroller that's for sure.

 

Lmao

 

Na not my intention at all. I think there are a lot of non public times that ppl are putting down at various race tracks throughout the globe. People just don't care to share them . (Or they don't want their times/videos dissected and put up for ridicule )

Even from watching apex and listening to the one driver before the test; he pretty much said that he was going for the lap record but was going to try to keep it safe and not go all out as hard as he could.

Gmg is at thermal all the time with clients who own 918's, p1's, etc. I think they don't care to show or even disclose their times (whether it's serious track day or not).

Look at the comment from randy with his last viper acr test at Laguna . He has gotten progressively slower by 3 seconds from the record that he set. His reasoning was that he "blamed the track".

The merry go round of this discussion is just going to keep going until the next set of hyper cars come out -






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The moral of the story is that fast cars today are all really fast. They'd blow the doors off of cars from 10 years ago and get 3x the fuel economy while doing it. Lap time argument is pointless. Just exists for kids on the internet who've only ever driven cars fast in video games.

 

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+1 although you are dangerously close to a reasoned argument and we can't have that lol

 

Just so i can make my post on the much anticipated 1000th page, here is a congratulations on putting up with this debate
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I have 400 pages, that depends on your settings. Approaching 20K posts, anyway.

 

Nope, there are a variety of factors that contribute to rolling resistance and if it were simply a tyre with less grip, they sure as heck wouldn't start with a Cup 2 now would they?

They are from one interview and just because you don't like the words, it doesn't make them inaccurate.

 

He probably did his best but he never had control over the variables. Different day test, with hardened rubber from the day before on the surface. We saw how a Moto GP event at Laguna lowered the ACR's time there by 3s. Pirelli were there to prep their tyre and the tyre was from them, not off the shelf. Lastly, not all Cup 2s are born equal. Mercedes offer two different types for the AMG GTR, the Z06's Cup 2s are widely suspected to be far different from regular ones too. Bespoke Cup 2s are hence a completely unknown quantity.

 

Well you just suggested the timed laps didn't include drifting as shown, so maybe they just edited in a standing start too, so they could use the traffic lights for theatrical reasons. Bottom line is without unedited lap videos there's no way to know. Maybe they turned up and the track conditions were slightly worse, so they couldn't beat the previous times and just decided to BS it. No way to know. I certainly know if Clarkson had the P1 winning and showed similar evidence, everyone on here would dismiss it as being without evidence, so why the double standards?

 

Let me rephrase it then, not only is the time not good, it's actually really bad.

Nope, you're strawmanning, I believe the 918 is faster on some tracks in HL mode, but I also believe the P1 is faster on tracks like Portimao, Spa, Monza, Barcelona Catalunya, Mugello. But how long does HL mode last, that is my question. Evidence from Laguna says not much over 2 minutes.

No, the point was that a non-pro customer turned up at Fuji with a passenger and beat everything from GT2 RSs, to Nismo GT-Rs, to LP-700s, to 991 Turbo Ss, by 5-8s and you're somehow partially bragging that a One:1 with a factory driver, with a passenger, who wasn't really trying, beating a Suzuka lap time (held by a Nissan GT-R) by 1s.

And BTW, the One:1 doesn't hold the Spa lap record anymore, it was beaten by a non-pro in a Radical RXC V8 by 2s.

 

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