Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Hot laps require a flying start, hence the term 'hot lap'. A lap from a standing start is a cold lap. Not that this test really was from a standing start.

 

You wasted the 20,000th post by posting "20000th post"!!!!!

 

What's totally wrong is:

a) Using laps on different days to measure tyre differences.

b) Allowing a tyre manufacturer to supply and inflate the test specimen.

c) Assuming all Cup 2s are identical. It's a proven fact they aren't, see the two varieties supplied as OEM for the Merc AMG GTR. See Andreas Preuninger's comments.

Please, Cup 2 is not a compromise, and nothing prevented them from having option tyres. When has a Michelin Cup X ever been a compromise for road use? Answer: Never in the whole of history. If anything McLaren compromised by using narrower tyres to reduce tramlining.

 

The answer is simpler than that. GT3 Cup 2s are different to GT3 RS and 918 Cup 2s, so says Andreas Preuninger.

 

There are no direct, same day tests that prove 918 or GT3 RS Cup 2s are slower than Trofeos either.

 

Did you learn this on your many track days spent with your fleet of cars? Lol this isn't what it means. You just make things up. Now a flying lap is with a flying start. Hot lap just means your best go. As long as everyone is done standing or flying that doesn't matter.

 

Sadly customer drivers in P1s have ran faster than 2:10 there (2:08), and feel free to review 8:03 in the video. Clearly trying real hard there.

 

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

And shoe sizes is the perfect analogy too.

 

You didn't read the bit about the passenger did you? Any how far behind the P1 GTR was the P1 on Anglesey Coastal on Trofeos? 2.7s. So let's call that 6s for a longer track, which would give 2:03. Beginning to see why nobody trusts Saladmandrin's times?

 

Lol. It is so clear that you are trying to discredit this P1 loss by whatever conspiracy you can dream up. The fact that the driver seems to want to release the raw data (from your previous post) shows to me that he is comfortable with his performance and the overall results.

 

Hi Ferrari SS, Lieven must think you are a total liar for daring to say that the Trofeo is a stickier tire than the Cup2. Your real world results don't count so move along. Nothing to see here.

 

Who said the driver wants to release the raw data? I never said that in my previous post at all. I asked him whether the laps were really from a standing start, with a to half suggest they weren't, and he liked the post. To me that suggests they weren't from a standing start at all. A simple 'yes' would surely have been the reply otherwise.

 

Just to re-state kingjnr9000's point.

If I buy a size 13 and a size 12.5, can you be sure the size 13 is bigger? No. And not all Cup 2s are equal either, Sport Auto and Andreas Preuninger has officially stated that:

a) The Merc AMG GTR is offered with two types of Cup 2, with one far stickier than the other, more like Z06 Cup 2s.

b) GT3 RS and 918 Cup 2s use stickier rubber than GT3 Cup 2s.

Aside from that, unless a driver is right at the limit under braking and cornering, the comparison may not prove accurate. A tyre that's better under lateral loads isn't necessarily better under longitudinal loads. Hence it's not something an amateur can really test, because they tend to use the lateral capability more than the braking capability.

 

My mind goes back to C Harris and the famous "how ferrari spin"
GT R 12s faster than 488 GTB... (less power, more weight, front engine, 21 Kph slower on the main straight...)
Maybe the AMG has a special Michelin SC2, but...

 

Maybe they used an Huayra-style Cup 2.

 

See Ferrari SS? Your real world results count for nothing. The king of Internet racing can find every reason under the sun to discredit your (and Chris Harris's) actual results.

Hey Lieven, please take your own car onto a track and try out the cup2 and trofeos then report your findings back to us.

 

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Read the post directly above this one. There is no single test that would cover all bespoke varieties of Cup 2, even a same day one. And some versions of the Cup 2 have racing-slick-like performance.

 

Hmm, are the rest of the posters here using the same display, same computer, same cabling as Mycroft? Actually, even if we have the same display, he might have a special compound one that refreshes faster.

Are we posting on the same day? Are we using the same person to type the posts?

If not, we are all wrong and all are losers.



Actually, let's reverse that logic!

Mycroft, are you using the same setup as mine? If not, all your response are not correct, you didn't play by my rules, the specific set of rules that I set to make sure I win.

Since you didn't post stuff the same time I did, you must have cheated. Your keyboard is non-standard, your internet connection is a cheater line, gives you 0.5ms of advantage. You didn't eat the same breakfast as I did, that gives you an unfair advantage on calories intake. You also didn't drink enough coffee either. And you weight less than you should cause you just had artificial diarrhea the last 2 days. That g-string you are wearing also gives you an unfair advantage in appearance! Please go back to some basic briefs to level the playing field.

We are serious internet bench racers here, you need to play by the rules I set out!

 

Excuse me, but isn't that exactly the logic you use every time the P1 puts on Trofeos and whoops the 918?

This whole tyre debate started when McLaren was accused of cheating just because they went from Corsas to (off-the-shelf) Trofeos. And people dreamt up a pre-conceived notion of how they compared with entirely bespoke Cup 2s.

Jeez dude, bespoke Cup 2s, wider tyres, 2 minute HL mode, and you still complain just because McLaren switches from Corsas to Trofeos?

Or are Mercedes an Chevrolet the only ones capable of developing their car for stickier Cup 2s LMAO?

I'm sure Porsche would deliberately fit their flag-ship hypercar with the least sticky version of the Cup 2s possible, just to give it the maximum possible chance of losing right? Even going so far as to fit 'ECO' tyres, which as we all know come with melted butter infused into the outer layer to protect hedgehogs' bottoms. Your biases are comical.

 

Talk of "waste" in this thread, specifically

 

Sorry, your post is invalid again. You didn't use my guidelines.

You are posting from a non-standard computer setup.

 

I had no idea you could actually change the amount of posts you can see at a time. Now I see why you said page 400. Its much easier, but less exciting.

 

Corgrats! Lucky you.

 

I applaud those guys for cutting through some of the variance. Nice test. I don't think the driver went full out but it looks pretty similar for all cars. Would have been nice to have telemetry. And battery status.

I think it is a bit unfair to the P1:

• The Porsche has a hot lap mode which tells the car to just dump all the electric energy it has into a single lap. The P1 does not have such a mode.
• The P1 relies more on using the steering wheel knob to tell it to use as much electric power as it can right now. Not using that knob puts the P1 at a disadvantage to a 918 in track mode. Keep in mind the 918 has 2 electric motors, so allowing it to use up electric energy as much as it likes will make a big difference.
• I would expect that the P1 battery retains a lot more electric energy after this hot lap - not having used the KERS button on the steering wheel. If I am correct then the P1 would complete further laps at a relatively higher speed, whereas the 918 would run out of juice.
• Likewise, it looks like the driver never uses the DRS on the P1. That track looks like that could make a big difference. It is likely that the overall design work on the P1 wing has assumed that you are willing to use that button, saying that you probably get too much drag when ignoring the button.

Not that I think the owner of that P1 would allow DRS use.

Just saying the whole thing has a couple more details when you consider these dual-power cars.

Love how the P1 sounds.