Did anyone else notice the dreaded "Fram" oil filter on the Paris show car's engine? BTW, that is the one and same car that Al Iearardi (Strictly Ferrari) acquired after hurricane Sandy. With his knowledge and attention to detail, I look forward to seeing it at an upcoming Cavallino!
Sorry, but contrary to what many believe, it is not true. The title of "Commendatore" existed long before the fascit regime, as it depended not from the head of the political regime, but from the King: it is the Order of the Crown of Italy ("Ordine della Corona dItalia"), created in 1868 by the King Vittorio Emmanuele II. The order was independent of any regime and subsisted after Italy became a Republic. Many Italians received it from 1868 onwards, and no-one was ashamed of it. Enzo Ferrari was nominated in 1927 for his racing career. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzo_Ferrari Rgds
Yes I saw that. Also the ducts are not rubber, no heat shield on header, the valve covers and expansion tank are crinkle finish The dash photo is awesome the clock is at the far left where the fuel gauge would be and one of the oil gauges is where the clock would be. And Iirc the fuel was at far right. So the striclyferrari car was the light blue one?
This thread is gonna make us Ferrari historians at this rate. Now where the hell is this gt4 photo we seek!
As I said in another thread, it could be interesting to have the full 17-position VIN of one of the very small number of 308GT4 which had one (RHD UK cars only?). If the 11th digit is "0", then officially the cars were built by Maranello. Officially... Rgds
What do you mean? I believe they are all F106AL follow by the chassis number mine 09966. There is another gt4 in Avorio which is #12500. So mine ends in 6. And the other in 0
I am talking about the international 17 position VIN: just like the carbed 308 GTB, the very small last batch of UK cars built (exactly the last 15 RHD for the 308 GTB) received the International 17 position VIN, not the older factory designation of type + chassis number. What you are mentioning (ie, F106AL09966) is the older factory designation, used before the acceptance of the 17 position VIN. The very last batch of RHD UK 308GT4 are identified by the International 17 position VIN. When Ferrari decided at the begining of 1980 to implement the International 17 position VIN, Ferrari asked for a special designator for "Dinos", which VINs begin by "ZDF" (ZDFxxxxxxxxxxxxxx), whereas they begin by ZFF (ZFFxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) for the "true" Ferraris. The eleventh digit in the 17 position VIN indicates the factory where the car was built: a "0" in the 11th place of a Ferrari VIN means built at the Maranello factory. Rgds
Understood. I must of skipped over the 17 digit part. I thought you meant 11 digit vin. Sorry but good to know this
By the way, we were discussing the carbed 308 GTBs production figures a few days before with Alberto, and it is interesting to note that the "Dinos" (208GT4 for the Italian market and 308GT4) were always included by Ferrari in the communiqués they made back in the days to the press about the number of cars produced each year by Ferrari...which proves that they considered that a "Dino" was built by Ferrari. Rgds
Ok but when a company builds something in China or abroad they still put they're name on it. Ferrari invented the car then had subcontractors build it then they would finish it up engine etc and I would think they did the finish work. Then put the name on it. So Enzo would say "We" built ex number of cars
But they did basically exactly the same with the 308GTB (then GTS). The chassis were also built by Vacari & Bosi, body panels by Scaglietti, etc...only the engines were casted in house. And, by the way, remember that the first two prototypes of the 308 GTB were badged "Dino" only...there are pictures of these cars in the period press; when they decided to put the "Ferrari" badge on the 308 GTB, nothing else changed, they didn't switch to another production plant.... Rgds
they were all built by Ferrari, or we would have to say that all old Ferrari (and Lamborghini Miura) were built by someone among Vaccari & Bosi, Scaglietti, Bertone, Pininfarina, Touring, Zagato and so on. The project is Ferrari, the brand is Ferrari and the final assembly was in Maranello at Ferrari factory. Dino was just a Ferrari brand, not a factory. Still today all Lamborghini cars are sprayed at Imperiale private plant outside the factory, the castings are done by Fonderie Scacchetti and so on, but they are Lamborghini made in Sant'Agata. Exactly like the Miura, with the body done at Bertone plant in Grugliasco (where today they do the Maserati Ghibli and Quattroporte) and then shipped on a truck to Sant'Agata at Lamborghini factory ciao
Agreed Ferrari project. Ferrari Car. Chassis etc by Subcontractors. We are trying to determine if the Bodies were welded to the car at Bertone or scaglietti or who knows where
There is a picture, on "another forum", of the chassis bar of one car (= 308GT4) with a full 17-position VIN stamped into it, which is "ZDFBB01C000015484" ("c" is probably for the UK, RHD, version) Rgds
Happy to oblige, even if it is from a "rival" forum. The first 17-position international VIN appeared on Ferraris in the spring/summer of 1980, and as for GT4 and GTBs on UK Cars only. But when the production of the first two-valve injected 308 began in september 1980, all cars had it. Rgds https://www.ferraris-online.com/Articles/images/FOC_201506_img6.jpg
Hi Nerofer I didn't intend to mean that the title of "Commendatore" had been initiated by the fascists and even though the titles were nominally given by the King there would have undoubtedly have been political input into who received them. The same exists here in UK today where although honours are given by teh Queen most are recommended by an independent boday but many are still politically driven. When Enzo received his honour the Mussolini government was already exerting great influence within Alfa Romeo even though it was still a few years before they took full control of the company. Whatever, I think it is fact that Enzo disliked the title and much preferred the title of Ingeniere bestowed with an honorary degree by the University of Bologna, an honour that he really WAS proud of. We will probably now never know the real story behind it all.
Ingeniere sounds better to me! We will probably never know. A different time I guess. Maybe ask Pietro Ferrari? That would be awesome
Theres this old photo that I love, not sure of the copyright. Last of the 246 Dinos and the first 308 Dinos along with some Ferraris. Looks like a boxer on the top left there. doesn't really answer the question of where the body panels were attached, but they were finished at Ferrari anyway. Image Unavailable, Please Login
