Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

You're getting body and chassis confused. Only the carbon monocoque is shared between the McLaren models and that is common even for the P1 GTR and LM. Obviously if they can afford to do it for a handful of cars, they can afford to do it for 375 more. This is simple market economics.

 

Well judging by the video edits, he warmed up a new set of tyres and then performed a hot lap. I don't see why he would have worn the tyres out and then recorded a lap. And once again, just to dispel the myth the lap was 2up, check the edits at 1:46 and 4:06, there is no passenger between these points in the video.

 

apart from the fact that the N0 tyres that the 918 uses were created with lower rolling resistance in mind

 

Well let's see. The Weissach pack dropped 41kg over the regular 918, the P1 GTR dropped 50kg over the road-going P1 and the P1 LM had to add some stuff for road legality, so probably near the same ~40kg weight saving. Seems fair to me.

 

Don't confuse rolling resistance, with resistance under load. This whole attempt to make out the 918 tyres are coated in butter is comical, during the Harris test, it was pulling more g in slower hairpins than both the other cars.

 

Isn't it a modified 918 that's been taking part in most tests? The WP?

 

yes, there are 2 fchatters who are owners of the road legal P1 GTR LM

I suspect there absence of any comment here is due to not wanting to get involved in this heated discussion

 

"Usually it's the best option". Well that doesn't really matter because obviously in this case it isn't.

So traffic ~1sec, driver choice - I'd say several seconds, tires ~1sec, and no one really knows how much faster a production version of the car would be. Let's say for arguments sake that they could shave 4-5sec off their time.
You would annihilate the very foundations of the internet if a P1 went 4sec slower than it potentially could when an official clock was running, yet you still laugh at the excuses for the One:1's time?? Let's not even start with the conspiracy rumours from Jalopnik....

I'm sure you believe every single word you write about the P1-918-LaF but in regards to this you are clearly wumming.

That would seem fair if you all you did was guess the weight of the cars and then ignored everything else, though that would be wildly ignorant wouldn't it..
The LM is 60kg lighter than the P1 GTR due to the removal of the air jacks and new seats etc, so it's a good 110kg lighter than the standard P1.
The enormous aero pack added on to the LM gives it 40% more downforce than the P1 GTR which already had a 10% increase over the standard car aaand it also has a 80hp+ power bump to make it an even 1000hp.

Does it still seem fair to you?

 

I wouldn't call it heated. It's basically every member in agreement and one individual who posts inane comments and then waits for everyone to rebuff him only to then tell each memeber how they are wrong.

 

Who's fault is that? Why did they release the lap if they weren't happy with it?

Well a P1 was apparently only 4s slower than a P1 GTR on Bahrain International on the same day with a pro driving both and a P1 GTR has ran 2:20 on Spa with light traffic and a passenger. So you have about 8s to knock off that Spa time, which will never happen.

The P1 already has been at least 5s slower than it could go in a test, namely Thermal Long, and the internet is still here, so obviously not.

Boo hoo, more excuses. Stick a passenger in the P1 LM then, IF that's the case, and it'll still beat the 918. I frankly haven't seen any confirmation of that weight saving though.

Yeah, it still seems fair, the only reason it's not fair to some is because the idea of a 918 competing with a P1 on tyres that are the same with and type as the 918's scares them witless but when it's on less sticky tyres that are the same width as a 991 GT3's they're fine with it.

 

the fact that the tyre was designed with rolling resistance in mind means they had to make a compromise with sideways grip too, yes, it isn't as simple as 1+1=2 but the fact that a tyre designed with grip in mind would make less sacrifice for cornering grip than the N0s is still valid

the Gs in the slower corners can be explained by the fact that the front is pulling it out of the corner, which means you can keep a higher pace thhrough the corner, people have had the same experience when driving the nissan GT-R

 

This is the full press release, 60kg lighter than a GTR and 110kg lighter than a P1 and 40% more downforce.


THE McLAREN P1 LM

Background
Lanzante Ltd. first became globally synonymous with the McLaren name when it ran the semi-works McLaren F1 GTR that won the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1995. 21 years later, Lanzante has created the McLaren P1 LM - its first limited production road car and a development of the most recent models to be produced within McLaren's Ultimate Series.

Intended to be the quickest, rarest and last of the P1 variants, and delivered to Lanzante by McLaren Special Operations' Bespoke division, the P1 LM is road legal yet offers even more performance than the McLaren P1™ GTR. So far an experimental prototype has been completed and it is this which will take to Goodwood's Hill in Class 25 for Modern GT Racers with 1999 Indy 500 winner and McLaren test driver, Kenny Bräck, behind the wheel.

A further five production cars will be produced: one in dark grey like the prototype, the other four in orange. All are expected to be delivered to customers in January 2017.

Engine
The biggest change is to the engine hardware producing additional boost and hybrid power in order to maintain the McLaren P1™ GTR's 1000PS (986bhp). This is achieved while still using 99-octane fuel.

The engine bay features gold plated heat shielding while the catalytic convertor pipes and exhaust headers are made using the exotic 'super-alloy' Inconel saving 4.5 kg. Furthermore, the charge coolers will be produced with even more efficient cores to maintain power at higher run temperatures.

Chassis
Wheels and tyres are unique to the P1 LM but the Race Active Chassis Control and major parts of the McLaren P1™ GTR are retained.

The LM will be 60kg lighter than even the McLaren P1™ GTR thanks to the removal of race parts such as the air-jack system, the use of lightweight seats from the McLaren F1 GTR, the Inconel exhaust and titanium tailpipes, lightweight fabricated charge coolers, Lexan windows, and the use of titanium bolts and fixings.

The final set up of the cars will be completed by Kenny Brack at the Nürburgring circuit.

Design
The advanced aerodynamics and styling of the McLaren P1™ GTR are largely carried over to the P1 LM but with increased aero from a modified rear wing, and larger front splitter and dive planes. Together the changes give a predicted increase in downforce of 40%.

The P1 LM is uniquely fitted with a fully exposed carbon fibre roof and additional panels. Other exterior changes include orange brake callipers on the orange examples and silver on the grey ones.

Interior
Exposed carbon fibre covers the entire dashboard, instrument cowl, seat backs, roof, door cards, centre console and even the floor mats. Air conditioning is included as standard.

Orange Alcantara ® is used for the seat inserts and door pulls on the orange cars, black on the grey examples. Five point seat belts are also fitted.

The Alcantara ® trimmed steering wheel is unique to the P1 LM and is a modified version of that used in the championship winning McLaren MP4/23 driven by Lewis Hamilton.

Additional Equipment
The P1 LM will be supplied by Lanzante Ltd. with a full tool kit including a torque wrench and wheel socket plus diagnostics tablet. Included, too, will be a tailored car cover and battery charging system. Owners will also be treated to a 1:8 scale model of their car and framed rendering.

 

"seems fair to me"

that's basically all of your arguments

they might have the almost the same weightsavings, but you have to add the weightsavings of the GTR on top of the LMs weightsaving

the fact is there is probably 100kg left to take out of the 918 WP and then you would have to add an extreme aerodynamic kit after that

 

LOL. As far as I know, the WP was the most popular 918 trim package bought. How can you say it is modified when it is widely available and direct from the factory. You are really reaching. Very humourous, trying to compare a one off tuner car to a production car.

Using your logic, when considering a comparison of say, the Porsche Turbo with another car in its class, we should be using this car for testing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7LKv44qENw

If you want to start talking about tuner cars vs hypercars, I would suggest a starting different thread. The subject of this thread is the Ferrari LaFerrari vs McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918.

 

You guys know Mycroft loved moving the goal posts when he loses............

 

I don't consider the LM to be a tuner car just as I don't consider the F1 LM to be one either.

Mclaren proudly talk about it:
ROAD RACER - THE F1 LM

 

It seems the lambo ring record won't hold for long since Merc is claiming to aim for the nurburgring record, which was set on slicks. It seems they may be aiming for Bellofs time or the Zonda R, but in street guise.

heres the actual quote: With all that power, surely he’s confident of a lap record at the Nürburgring? “We’re going to sort out the rollout programme next year, it still needs a bit of time to get everything sorted out. Is it possible to go for a record? Depends on the tyres. The current lap record was set on slicks. So let’s wait…” he adds, with a smile.

 

A 6 unit production run by a 3rd party is not considered a tuner car?!

 

Beat it or not, no-one can beat Bellof for having the biggest B*lls of any motor racing driver before or since. Hell he wrote off more 956s than was strictly necessary but what a guy.....

 

And the P1 had 17bhp more than the 918 WP so totally unfair.

 

Again your arguments for how one car potentially is faster than another is on the level of what a drunk baby would come up with.

You say that the P1 LM and 918 WP are basically the same yet when I explain the massive difference between the two cars your reply is "stick a passenger in the LM then", like that would make the comparision equal. :/ There's not one person in here who thinks that the 918 WP is anywhere close to being as fast as the P1 LM btw. In fact I haven't seen anyone even comparing the performance of them so I really don't understand why you are so grumpy about that. The discussion is about whether the two cars are similiar or not, not which one is the fastest.

It's also absolutely hilarious, and frankly a bit scary at the same time, that in regards to the P1 LM and 918 WP you shrug off the factual and beyond obvious reasons for why it isn't a fair comparision and then you try to infer that other people agree with you but the only reason they don't believe it's fair is because of the tires..
The word delusional doesn't even begin to describe that level of BS.

One last thing, telling you the differences between two cars that are wildly different is not an excuse, even if you happen to incorrectly believe that the cars are basically the same. It's just an explanation for why you are wrong.

 

Great reply Zlaatan, it beggars the belief that the P1 can be converted to track only as the P1 GTR and then that car can be converted to street legal specification and compared to the 918 Weissach that was designed from the ground up as a comfortable high powered four wheel drive road car. Again they cannot be compared and both had to make compromises, P1 in its chassis which was derived for use in both the 12C series and the P1 with specific shortcomings and the 918 with its heavy four wheel drive system and lack of top end. Unless there is a widespread economic meltdown, in a decade or less, there will be a whole new set of hypercars and this will all seem a little

 

It's possible. It's been claimed that the AM-RB001 on slicks ('race trim') can lap Spa faster than this year's F1 cars. Don't know whether to believe that though.

 

Sure there is. Go do it then. When everyone is on slicks it would lose its traction advantage and be heavier and slower.

 

It's an official McLaren car, same as F1 LM. Stop making excuses. It is not a tuner car anymore than a Weissach. The car is still called a McLaren, the fact an outside company assisted is by-the-by, this happens all the time. E.g. is the Veyron regarded as a Bugatti or a Ricardo tuner car?