I think there is a good chance they will do a LE version of the F12M. Some of the owners will probably move their TDFs along. And some might not get the invite for the new LE and they might decide to keep or move their cars along. I think in terms of the market, we will see some cars for sale in maybe 18-24 months. +3 Gorgeous. I love the color and I don't always go for stripes, but this works! It really is. And one thing I think we forget to take into account is not just the differences in cars, but that we change as well.
I bet your right. Still over $1,000,000USD I predict. The Delta between that and my car is huge $$$ wise. I need to observe some level of fiscal responsibility in my life and stay focused on my next home (with large garage). It's nice to dream though. Your taste in garage and home is right up my ally
Thanks Chris, very kind of you. You're right about the delta. You can take a look at the gap between 599 GTB and GTO in like 2013/14 and get an idea of what will happen. Purely from memory, please correct me if I am wrong, I think your typical GTB back then would be around 220k and GTO about 800k. That meant the GTO was trading about 3.64x the GTB. If a typical F12b will trade around 275k then you would literally be right at your $1m price point. You also have to ask yourself if having so much tied up in a car will cause you to not drive it as much. That line is different for everyone, but its worth consideration. I also think the F12b strikes such an effective balance between GT and sport, that while the TDF is more special, it might not be quite as effective a street companion for some of us who appreciate the GT side of the F12. Ideally, one would have both! Or to bring it back on track, the ideal combination would be TDF/ F12M
Why wouldn't they make an LE? In 2021 or 2022 when it's time to replace the M, shortly before that, it's time for new LE again. That's just the circle of Ferrari and exotic car life. By then there will have been a 488VS that is most likely faster than the TdF, like the 458 Speciale was faster than the GTO, and the M replacement will be faster than any of them, with the M LE maybe being faster than the LaF. And so it goes on and on and on. And no, I don't think the TdF owners will dump their cars. You didn't see many GTO owners dump theirs, did you?
I would say most GTO owners did not sell, I don't think "dump" is the right word. But there were a decent number of GTOs on the market for a while. Its just the nature of things as you pointed out. Some people like to move on to the latest and greatest. I suspect the F12tdf will be similar.
Looks like the Alfa 8C rear end that I hate has gone.......looks smooth like Lusso[/QUOTE] IMO They are deliberately hiding two of the four lights
$70K!!!...That's crazy. I'm sure battery replacement relative to the cost of the car either ain't cheap for Prius, either. That's why I push for diesel rather than electricity when trying to be "green."
I think what you'll see is the F12M in 2017 - early cars in May/June. The factory is very busy now completing the LaFerrari's, LaF Apertas, TdFs and all the 70th anniversary cars. I expect by 2019 we may see an XX car based on the F12M - as the LaFerrari FXX-K came very soon after the LaFerrari - it will be about 4 years old by then. That may lay the foundation for a very special LE which will be the very last NA V12... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I would say many GTO owners did sell - my dealer said he could probably count on one hand the number of clients who still had their GTOs since new. And he probably delivered 20-30 in the UK We had very different economic times back then - but I got my GTO in 2011 and tried to sell it in 2012 (fortunately unsuccessfully). I couldn't get 85% of list then. Assuming it's now 2x list the curve was a J. The TdFs and Speciales should hold their value in the long term - but there were more produced and the market will soften in the short term. In the U.K. most of the premium has already fallen out of the Speciale market. One has to remember Ferrari is producing a lot more cars. There are more than twice the number of Speciales in the U.K. versus Scuderias (2008/9 was a terrible market and Ferrari had to cut back production). So it's not so simple. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That is what I like to hear! I think that tdf prices may well stay firm due to limited supply caused by more resolute policing by dealers and the Factory as we all know that sell that car and any chance of future LE cars is gone.
If your dealer delivered 20 -30 GTO then the numbers of GTO are far higher than official numbers . I would not think any dealer sold more than 8, a generous 10 new cars. Speciale was produced in large numbers yes, TDF similar (in UK ) to the GTO numbers. GTO and TDF prices will settle to more of less the same level you would think. Speciale prices pulled back but still a good premium for a car they were trying to push orders for. 458 SA another matter.
Certain dealers get higher proportion of the LE cars due to their client base. 75 RHD GTOs were registered in the U.K. in 2010/11. The market split was all over the map due to the financial crisis. For example the number of GTOs in South Africa was totally disproportionate to the market size. Just that economy was strong in 2010/11. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I guess its quibbling over semantics but to me "many" = anything more a sizable minority. I never really counted but my observation at the time was maybe there were around 25 GTOs on the US market. How many USA 599 GTOs? ~180 or so? That's 14%- say I'm wrong and it was 25%, to me ¾ retention ratio is pretty good. Anyway back to the thread and I think Traveller makes a really good point! I'd love to have one of these bad boys in the garage and having the M would be a fantastic companion!
GTO and TDF are interesting and have multiple threads - would be nice to stay on topic - F12 M rumours!!!
IMHO they have really outdone themselves with the styling on this car. I believe the aero bridges have been kept and you can actually "see" how the air is guided along the profile. I can't wait to drive one!
+1 Nothing green about diesel. Those particles are really bad news. Anyway, if they keep the aero bridges, wouldn't that sort of force the designers to keep the side profile of the F12? Or are we talking a new aero bridge design?
