Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Except when the P1 uses Trofeos to get on more level terms with Cup 2s, then the tyres are cheating.

 

There is no need to make excuses for the 918. It won.

 

Having a slower lap time on a track is not winning.

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/algarve-international-circuit-short

1. McLaren P1 Chris Harris 1:51.78 916 / 1490
2. Porsche 918 Spyder Chris Harris 1:53.98 887 / 1640
3. Porsche 918 Spyder Jérôme d'Ambrosio 1:54.20 887 / 1640
4. Ferrari LaFerrari Chris Harris 1:54.25 963 / 1585
5. Ferrari LaFerrari Jérôme d'Ambrosio 1:54.40 963 / 1585
6. McLaren P1 Jérôme d'Ambrosio 1:55.50 916 / 1490

And oddly, the consensus on those Grand Tour laps..... flying start.

http://fastestlaps.com/tests/4rikzl8097kk

And what do you know.

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/1nl9h7fasmov

And that's even including the Thermal Long BS laps where P1s have gone 3s faster even with a passenger and a non-pro, and 5s faster 1up.

 

says the guy who thinks the P1 LM is comparable to the 918 WP

not to mention the fact that the P1 was never delivered with trofeo Rs to begin with, the fact that in the EVO test they came back after they had lost aginst the 918 with the roof off

the fact that chris harris has had more seat time in the mclaren P1 compared to the other cars of the trinity is also a factor

 

The capability was designed in. Built in. Porsche didn't change a single cable or any other parts to allow that.

Unlike say a P1 to P1 GTR conversion where basically the car was dismantled and re-assemgled with new parts.....................................

Porsche didn't put in thicker cables for higher amperage or a new e-motor or even different batteries. Even when they raised the rev limit on the from e-motor, it was done after extensive testing, they didn't switch out to a different e-motor. All the capabilities you see on a 918 right now was designed and built from the beginning of the project.

 

Hmm, no.

Trofeo R has way better grip than the Cup2s. And is rated as a top level track tire.

Cup2s and Corsa are in the same class as a street tires that's capable on a track. Granted, the Cup2s is a bit stickier than the Corsa, but it just means the Cup2s are slotted in between the Trofeo R and the Corsa.

 

DIdn't your own logic states that if laps are not done on the same day then it doesn't count?

So Chris's lap wasn't done on the same day as Grand Tour, it should be counted.

 

Whoopsy you can't argue with a guy who thinks a P1 LM is the same as a Weissech 918.

 

LOL. I guess I will have to advise all the car testing magazines that they have been testing the wrong cars in instances where there is a GT3 racing version of the car, such as 650, NSX, 911, M6 etc. What they should be doing is taking the GT3 racing cars, modifying them to make them street legal, then compare these against each other and the three hypercars as proof that the 918 sucks. Perfectly logical.

 

Why not? I could always bring out the 919 Hybrid as a compatible car using his logic.

Both the 918 and 919 are hybrids, got 4 wheels, and the 919 has been driven around the streets of London by Mark Webber. Switch out the 8 in the name for the 9 and they are basically the same car!

Perfectly sane comparison if you ask me.

 

Cool post, Wikipedia quotes the following for the fastest 26 Nurburgring lap times for road cars and I have no doubt tie you will tie yourself in knots trying to prove is unfair and incorrect but hey you the man and I feel it matches your post above rather well.

All I would like to point out is that the 918 is #1 and #8 and where is the McLaren? Merry christmas one and all.

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 6:57 Porsche 918 Spyder Marc Lieb 4 September 2013 'Weissach Package' with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres. Observed by Sport Auto.[15]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 6:59.73 Lamborghini Aventador SV (2015) Marco Mapelli May 18, 2015 Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires.[16]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:08.68 Nissan GT-R Nismo (2015) Michael Krumm September 30, 2013 Nismo N Attack Package with 255/40RF-20 run-flat Dunlop SP Sport Maxx GT 600 DSST tires.[17][18][19][20]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:10.92 Mercedes-AMG GT R Christian Gebhardt December 7, 2016 Sport Auto Conducted test[21]
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:11 McLaren F1 Promotional XP5 prototype Mika Häkkinen November 1996 Sps Automotive,all laptimes existing there verified to be correct.[22][23][24][25]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:11.57 Gumpert Apollo Sport Florian Gruber 13 August 2009 OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires. Sport auto (Germany) (Article)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:12:13 Dodge Viper ACR (2010) Dominik Farnbacher 14 September 2011 SRT conducted test. Video and manufacturer confirmed. OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup R compound track DOT competition tires. TTAC article.
Chrysler press release[8] [9]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:13 Porsche 918 Spyder Horst von Saurma June 2014 Sport Auto conducted test[26]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:14.64 Lexus LFA Nürburgring Package Akira Iida 31 August 2011 Lexus conducted test. Video confirmed. Stock LFA with "Nürburgring Package". OEM Bridgestone Potenza RE070 street tires. Additional Roll Cage was equipped. [10][11]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:14.89 Donkervoort D8 RS Michael Düchting 2006 Sport auto (Germany) (Article)
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:15.63 Edo Competition Porsche 996GT2 RS Patrick Simon 4 August 2005 Sport auto (Germany) Vehicle was tuned to produce 670bhp and 880Nm Torque[27]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18 Porsche 997 GT2 RS Porsche conducted test[28]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18.1 Donkervoort D8 RS Michael Düchting 24 October 2004 Sport auto (Germany) (Article)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19 Radical SR3 Turbo Nurburgring Top 100 Lap Times [29]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19.1 Nissan GTR 2012 Nurburgring Top 100 Lap Times [29][30]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19.63 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (2012) Jim Mero 9 June 2011 General Motors conducted test,[31] base specification car with optional track DOT competition tires (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure), video confirmed.[32]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:21 Ferrari 488 GTB 19/2016 Auto Zeitung conducted test,[33]
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:22.1 Dodge Viper ACR (2009) Tom Coronel 18 August 2008 Chrysler and Motor Trend conducted test.[34]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:22.68 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 (2012) Jim Mero 23 June 2011 General Motors conducted test,[35] base specification car with optional track DOT competition tires (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure) and Z07 package
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24 Gumpert Apollo Sport Horst von Saurma November 2010 Sport Auto (11/2009)[36]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24 Porsche 911 GT2 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2010)[37]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24.22 Nissan GT-R (2011) Toshio Suzuki 1 October 2010 Nissan conducted test.[38] Semi-wet conditions. Video confirmed. Best Motoring (12/2010).[39]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24.29 Maserati MC12 Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test[40]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24.44 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test[41]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:25 Lamborghini Aventador Horst von Saurma Top 100 laptimes [26][42]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:25.21 Ferrari Enzo Marc Basseng August 2008

 

ROTFLMAO!!

 

It is comparable.

The Trofeo R was always on the options list for the P1. Roof off on Anglesey circuit? Yeah, that'll make a real big difference, with the pathetic average speed of 80mph. And the low average speed of these club circuits is another thing that benefits the 918. Shame they don't test on proper F1 GP circuits.

Not really, he drove the 918 for a considerable length of time on that very track previously (Best driver's car 2014).

 

Not better grip than bespoke Cup 2s. Are you trying to tell me that stock Trofeo Rs are stickier than the Cup 2s on Z06s and AMG GTRs? No way.

Corsa is a lot slower than Cup 2, read all the reviews. Corsas are crap. Here's Alexander West's comments on Cup 2s vs Corsas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfgDNo6jw8s&t=295s

Nobody thinks Corsas are equal to Cup 2s, nobody, even Evo said Cup 2s were stickier in their P1v918 test, watch the video.

It's only fair to you when the P1 is on an inferior compound and an inferior width tyre. And short-life HL mode on top. Any more handicaps you'd like in place so the 918 can win?

 

And if they managed to make them road legal, there wouldn't be a problem in that.

 

The 919 is not based on the 918. No LMPs bare even the slightest resemblance of road cars. Endurance racing really lost its way after GT1 died.

P1 LM is to the P1 what the GT3 RS is to the GT3. Wider tyres, less weight, more aero.

 

Actually I believe a certain Huracan has beaten the 918's time, just as one has at Balocco. AMG GTR 3s faster than 918 with Sport Auto at 'ring. And oh look, an Aventador SV so close behind, even on inferior tyres. Jeez, how much have 675LTs beaten Aventadors by on other tracks? And how much faster than the LT is the P1? And P1 LM vs P1? I don't need to tie any knots to dismiss that quip. Congrats though, about 1s/minute faster than a Nissan coupe.

Don't make me laugh.

That said, as a performance metric, Nordschleife times are way too inconsistent to provide a good measure of anything. Random damp patches, recent track works, different ambient conditions, all added up over 7 minutes.

 

Lieven, If you are indeed getting paid by McLaren to post your nonsense then I hope they sue you to recuperate the monies they paid you as your posts (and attempts to improve the brand) are pathetic...If you are truly an ambassador to the brand then my appreciation for the brand(McLaren)has dropped to a new record low...maybe use your VERY limited talents to improve the brands F1 performance...Lord knows, they can use any help they can get...good luck.

 

Of course, McLaren pay people to browse forums. I suppose that means you're being paid by Ferrari and Westview is being paid by Porsche.

 

Believe me, I would love to be paid by Porsche, or any manufacturer for that matter! Not so lucky.

Because his beloved P1 is not dominating the way advertised by McLaren, Lieven/Mycroft has taken a classic political pivot and is now pushing some obscure tuner car called the P1 LM. He should run for political office with this maneuver! Well done!

In the supercar class of cars, my favourite has been the McLaren 675LT. It is a rocket. I never considered a Porsche Turbo to be in that class, but according to Lieven, tuner cars are fully acceptable versions of originals. Therefore, the best car in this class is the Porsche nine excellence 911 turbo as per link below. Makes the 675 seem slow by comparison.

Porsche Nine Excellence 911 Turbo 9EXX Hits 229.6 mph - GTspirit

 

Won't be much use on a circuit though and the LM is only a tuner car in the same way a GT3 RS is a tuner car, or a Speciale for that matter. The P1 LM is literally a P1 RS/Speciale. The P1 GTR is based on the P1, not the other way around. Basically, all you're playing on is the fact the P1 GTR came out before the P1 LM. If the P1 LM had come out before the P1 GTR, there wouldn't be this argument.

What about the F1 LM, was that a tuner car too, since the F1 GTRs came out prior LOL?

 

Another day, more delusional ramblings from Lieven.

 

in that case the ferrari 458 challange is comparable with the 458 speciale

find me an article/interview from its launch that states it then

 

the Corsa is not a lot slower than the Cup 2s, it wouldn't surprise me if we were just talking about 0,3-0,5s/minute compared to the Cup 2s.

you have to take into account that the Cup 2s that the 918 uses have less grip as a comprmise for its efficiency, the AMG GTR uses Cup 2s which are stickier than regular Cup 2s and more comparable to trofeo Rs.

remember at the test that chris harris did at puartimo the trofeo Rs were 2 seconds a lap quicker than Cup 2s

 

How is a car with slicks a road car?

This is just the old, "can't compete, disqualify the opposition bull crap."

Right, I'm going to trawl the internet looking for it. Every insider says it was always an option.