Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Yes it is. The Corsas are similar to the old Cup+s in performance, the Cup 2s have figured 0.9-1.2s/minute faster than those in several tests.

Are you trying to tell me the AMG GTRs Cup 2s are only marginally faster than Corsas? Good one. Bet you'll be trying to sell me a bridge next. They're not even close to the Cup 2s on the AMG GTS.

Bull crap, this eco babble does not mean the tyres are covered in a layer of grease like some people make out. AP says the Cup 2s on the 918 and GT3 RS are 20% stickier than GT3 Cup 2s. Yes the AMG GTR's tyres are likely stickier again, which just goes to disprove this whole BS about trying to compare bespoke tyres with off-the-shelf items.

Yeah, those Harris laps were on a different day, and there were a whole shedload of other variables unaccounted for, which I've already mentioned, but it was a comparison on stock off-the-shelf tyres, not bespoke tyres. Bespoke tyres are basically modified tyres and comparing them with stock tyres is like comparing modified cars with stock cars, it's a no-no.

 

There's a really simple way of sorting this all out:
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Who is the say the original Corsa tires being specced for the P1 isn't with a special compound using your own logic? Hmm

They are after all P1 specific with the special McLaren marking, they are not off the shelf Corsas.

So the P1 was slower than the competitions even with a special compound Corsa, that's why McLaren had toe scrambled to mount Trofeo Rs on the P1.

 

GT3RS comes off the production line in Zuffenhausen just like any other 911s. The P1 GTR and P1 LM are done off site with a 3rd party.

How is that comparable?

Hell even the Speciale comes off the same Ferrari production line in Maranello.

And the FXX K for that matters.

And both versions of the 918 also comes off the same line in Zuffenhausen.

 

Because we know from the Harris test and the Evo test that the Trofeo Rs are much faster. Same day, same car, same driver. So we know they're not any stickier than regular.

 

Only for finishing, the chassis and the vast majority of the parts come from McLaren.

Every car uses some parts not made in-house. Lotus does a lot of suspension tuning for other companies and Cosworth does a lot of engine development work for other companies. Subcontracting is nothing new.

 

Hmm no.

919 has 4 wheels, full car body, has been driven on the street. It was basically missing some turn signals and then it can be licensed in the UK for road use.

Both cars have hybrid system, with the front axle driven electrically separated from the rear axle, both are also carbon tub-ed, mid engine. the 919 is a 918 using your logic dude, wider tires, less weight, more aero.

Hell even the name is closer, 918/919 is only separated by one letter.

P1/P1 LM/P1 GTR are different by at least 2 letters.


Now that we have established the 919 is the competitor to the P1 LM, how much slower is the P1 LM now?

 

So now you have abandoned your initial position that the Harris tire test was invalid? ROFLMAO!

Did you not say a few posts ago that the Chris Harris tire test cannot be trusted?

 

How is that different from a tuner?

A tuner takes a stock chassis and vast majority of parts from the original manufacturer, then put on custom parts from else where.

 

Isn't that your motto? "Can't compete, disqualify the opposition bull crap."

You have been doing that for the longest time.

You do realize a Challenge car doesn't have to have slicks, one could mount some Hoosiers R7, which is a DOT street legal tire.

 

Of course he has no clue. If there isn't a YouTube video made about it then why would he since his car experience comes purely from video games. Video games, YouTube and forums. But he'll definitely tell you that your 918 is basically useless after one lap of a short track or a couple quarter mile drag races. Have fun with your one and only 9.7 sec quarter mile run after that the machine clearly useless according to Lieven.

 

I saw this little time ago and still find it hard to believe the XP5 which had no downforce kit and with tires from that era posted that time. We all know F1's are not the best handling cars.

Maybe Lieven can explain that too.

 

Absolutely pure fantasy that 7.11 for the F1 for me. The car has no downforce, no setting suspensions, alignment and size tires adequately for that track.

I read somewhere a more realistic 7.45.

 

I have no issue with the F1 which was specifically built to be the best without compromise so not in any way the same as the P1, which was modified from the 12C series for expediency. I do have an issue with the Portomayo lap time chart Lieven posted because anyone could take some lap times and splice them together, hell you can just make them up. I also have an issue with this nu-speak like that certain group of American's, where he just eternally moves the goalposts so he is always right, even when it contradicts what he just said. On that theme, it seems clear that Lieven is trying to make the P1 great again lol.

 

Oh Mycroft,

I just remembered something. Remember the McLaren promotional video about the P1's run on the Ring? It wasn't a complete lap, and it's full of editing, AND I remembered the car slide around a corner, so does that means the time it set wasn't a valid one?

But then again, since you think what's on Youtube has to be true, does that means in your mind the P1 did ran around the Ring less than 4 minutes? Cause I believe that's how long the video was.

 

If thats the case, then I'm curious to what an f40 would do around the ring.

 

Way off topic but no time available although someone noted 7.18 for an estimated lap, I would note that the contemporary Jaguar XJ220 did 7.44 and the F40 had similar amounts of turbo lag so perhaps 7.30 - 7.40 at the best

 

Nice. But how is that off topic? We've been O/T for the last 100 pages.
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The Jag did 7.46. I think an F40 can do a better lap time.

I know that 7.18 was made by someone in a F40 using the BTG section of the track.

 

The GT3 RS is a full on production car, just the more track oriented version of the GT3. It is comparable to the 675LT in relation to the 650S. The 675LT is the faster, more track oriented version of the car, but still a full on McLaren production car.

The P1 LM is nothing more than an extremely limited quantity tuner car based on the P1GTR track car converted back to road legal status by a third party. Nowhere near the same situation as the GT3RS. Not even close.

 

Isn't the P1 LM more comparable to the road going FXX or the road going MC12 race cars (forgot who did those conversions but pretty sure in both cases they were done by third-party outfits)?

 

Done in house and whatever badging, they all used Enzo chassis which were in itself modified from the standard Ferrari mid/rear engined platform. Agreed with the similarities but if the P1 LM is a third party modded P1 it is comparable to the Edo Competition MC12s which were basically the same recipe. Take a MC12 that the works had turned into a track only Corsa and then reverse engineer it back to road legal form. The end result was by most opinions "cr@p" because it lacks any form of road equipment such as sound insulation and suspension travel. Ditto for Dauers & Schuppans Porsche 962 road cars and McLaren by talking the F1 and making the GT1 F1 GTR and then creating the F1LM...........

 

Complete BS. 918 - 1680kg. 919 - 875kg. LMPs bare no resemblance to any road road and the top flight of endurance racing never has since GT1 ended.

Different chassis, different engine, different capacity, different tub.

A person can look at a P1 LM and see that it's clearly based on a P1, Looking at a 919, about the only road car it bares no resemblance to any road car, certainly not a 918.

 

No, I'm referring to the same day tests Evo and Harris did, where they ran the P1 on Corsas and Trofeo Rs with no tyre company sponsorship, not the different day stock-Cup 2 vs Trofeo R, where the Cup 2 time was a ludicrous 4s slower than a 458S.

 

Ask an insurance company. If I say I have a P1 LM, and they say, "is it stock," I can say, "yes." Whereas if I have an Excellence 911XX, and they say, "is it a stock Porsche 911 model," the answer is, "no."

Like I said, nearly every company sources parts from outside. For a start no car company fabricates CPUs. Veyron uses a Ricardo gearbox, the F1 used a BMW engine, the Nissan GTR used Lotus suspension tuning. What matters is that it's called a McLaren and is an official McLaren model.