Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Did we just go back to the mid-90s?

 

I'm not more able to understand where you are intended to go.

In past. You was who mentioned as truth a F1 lap time at Bedford, never mentioning nothing about its alignment, wheels size, ect.

You was posting a Ring map, were the F1 was showing ridicolous corner speeds, and then try to post us a conclusion to prove that the Ring time was 7.20 or better.

Then. You was trying to prove the fact that a non pro driver cannot do hot lap times on the Ring, having no any proof of who was the driver and his hability/effort. Just because is not a pro.

Now. Mainly you are trying to say that the F1 has no competitors of modern cars you mentioned, because that Estoril lap time made or published you don't really know, if 1993, or 1994, was made on a track configuration different that the claimed in the map article. The fact is that the oldest track prove that the lap "speed average" was better than today.

Touring M3 1988 4350mt/106s = 148 kph
NGT 360 2003 4183mt/ 101s = 149 kph



I denote that imagination helps.

 

Out of interest, here's the Bedford lap (1:22). It did use an aftermarket suspension upgrade. Part of the track pack I think. The stock suspension was very rolly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7cKvZMLQnQ

 

send the 458 challenge to Lanzante and ask them to make it streetlegal, problem solved

show me an actual article/interview and remember to give the date of the published article/interview or just link it

 

Don't think Lazante has done it. But if Ferrari wants to try, let them. Better than making feeble excuses.

 

Mhm, yes… They were at the same track on that day, so definitely they were racing to the max. There are no other possibilities – driving for fun, filming, doing passenger laps, learning the cars, etc… No chance for that! They were on the same track, so they definitely were doing their best and waiting for you with your stopwatch to promote them on fastestlaps.com. Good logic, but what to expect from you…

 

Shame, he can't help em with all this enthusiasm on the extended warranty for the Batt packs........Lol

 

I don't think the times are worse than we could expect from a magazine tester, in fact, once you subtract 2s or so for the passengers, they are probably better. Effectively 1:32 and 1:33 vs 1:35.7 for a 675LT Spider, Evo certainly didn't beat the 675LT by that much in either car. Certainly too quick for show laps. They probably also did more laps than the average magazine tester does during a test. And we got a full unedited video.

How is this worse than some guy driving for Salomondrin running 5s slower than non-pro pace... oh and a lap timer that jumps straight from 0.25 to the next second in his video too, go check it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwxNLhhzhUI&t=540s

2:10.1, 2:10.2, 2:11.0 etc.

 

Okay,about bedford time I didn't knew much about its modification at that time,since you mentioned I looked into it,so I give you that.But the lap was messy when I looked into video.

And I did not wanted to prove that F1 could do 7;20 or better,I just wanted to say that it can do much better than 7:45.And about 7:45 lap,it was done by flemke and lap was just estimated from the video he uploaded on Piston Heads.Any you were the one who said 7:45 comes from the very famous Mclaren book which I never heard of and 7:45 lap cannot be improved without proof.

I think the time was estimated by someone named ajzahn and thats about it.You should remember that F1 is not called drivers car without a reason.
http://www.**************/forum/threads/nurburgring-lap-times.41550/
Above url is for supercars net website replace stars with supercars. net

About Estoril well track was added with chicane in 1994 and the article was published in 10 july 1994 at the bottom of the page,so I don't they would publish the lap time one year later,may be one or 2 months after the test at most.And about the sector 2 time ZR1 had reached 224kph at the straight and was still slower than F1,so that section wouldn't give advantage to F1's engine much if it cant corner.

I don't understand if tire wall was made in the circuit at non chicaned route,how would F1 go from that route,by breaking the barrier?I am not disputing their claim just saying they might have made error in pronting like they did about F1 LM's downforce in CAR magazine,and may have made error in making circuit map like in R&T Virginia lap map.

If the track didn;t have chicane it cannot take as much as 18s to travel from Oreha to Esses,infact it should be much faster like 7s.If you consider the increase in F1 cars after chicane was installed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Portuguese_Grand_Prix
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Portuguese_Grand_Prix
1993 F1 1:11.494
1994 F1 1:20.608

So F1 will have to lap overall 7s slower atleast inorder to be only as fast as ZR1 but it is not the case here.Infact F1 lapped same time from orehla to esses and was faster in section 2.As for other race series,there is unfortunately no lap time I can find of which can compare the 2 circuit.And I also brought up lap times from other tracks of same configuration to show that 1988 ETCC car wasn't as slower than GT2 car from 2003 as you claim.

 

I definitely was not referring to you!

 

He has to see it on Youtube to believe it...

 

Whereas you'd believe anything, with or without a video, if you felt it made your case.

 

You do realized that was his car and he is the one driving it and he is the one that's there right?

Guess the know-it-all thinks he knows better than the person who was actually there...........

@Apolo1: Dude, you don't really know anything, you were just dreaming at the the event, Mycroft here planned the whole event and fixed the results.

 

It gets better than that, he debated it with me on ML for 2 months about the result. Guess the 918 owning the P1 and Lafa does not support his views today....Lol

 

Cheers for F40 Le Mans and Mclarenf1gtrlm !!!

They managed to carry on an intelligent conversation among all the noises Mycroft has generated haha

 

At Anglesey, or somewhere else? What are you referring to?

 

The LaF beat the 918 at Anglesey even with inferior tyres. Explain that.

 

Brunts and Santa Pod, you will recall that you implied that my 918 was putting out more BHP than stock...Lol.....

 

Ah yes, and it probably is, given that you made the same vmax as a LaF (210mph). No other test has shown the 918 to hold a candle to the other two at higher speed. Maybe you got one that just happens to be up on hp, or you had a power hike.

 

Or they just all put out a little more bhp than advertised and LAF weighs a little more than advertised. Which is the case.

 

No, every test going has shown the P1 and LaF to out-accelerate the 918 above 100mph. His car was 3-4mph up on other 918s even. It's an oddity at best.

 

Its actually 144.3 Mph, at which the both the P1 and Lafa start to gain on the 918. Over the running mile the 918 will arrive first, due to the advantage up to this 144.3.

I have all the data from race logic, same day, same track, 3 customer cars all just back from being checked over, 2 real pro race drivers, and a hobbyist in the 918......

 

go ask:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BLMJ3j-l-P-/?taken-by=aztobo

what he thinks about 918 at COTA.

He is a development driver for manufacturers and put down a better time in a Z06 than the p1 time at COTA (the one that lieven has mentioned in this thread). Here is a side by side video of the Z06 and P1. It just goes to show you that there are a lot more videos out there and people with knowledge of how these cars work other then people who are posting on here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXTJ5Nqc508

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opz9GVzbogQ

Lol, my car is stock, this was a practice run to 213 speedo reading, before you start on my steering grip, I was holding on for dear life the surface was terrible.

As you can see there is no trade off in acceleration when it hits 163.2 also, like Autocar would like you believe......

 

Paul Bailey's own 918 was 4mph down on the LaFerrari on the same day. On another day, a 675LT made the same terminal as a 918.

Results | VMAX200

Your car is not representative one way or the other.

And just to explain before the questions fly in from others. Sometimes the runway strip used is shorter.

The fastest 918 behind yours is 5mph down on yours on the full length. That is one hell of a power difference.