J50 v 488 Spider - why does Ferrari save its best for few

They aren't going against the loyal base. Yes, many people are loyal to Ferrari, but at the end of the day its about being one of their best customers. Its frustrating, but only the very wealthy can afford to reach the level they need to in order to get these very limited cars.

 

They usually incorporate parts of these special cars into the new production of the next model though.

 

The large group gets the Speciale version of the base model and there are also challenge versions that are available to order as well. The Speciale will see a lot of aggressive design fixes. Don't forget that the 488 is just an evolution of the 458 design. It had very elegant and smooth lines. I can see the next model having a more aggressive look to match with competitiors.

 

I wonder if the features of the J50 are street legal in all the major markets? The low hood may not meet Euro pedestrian safety standards, and the LED lights may not meet US standards. Just a thought.

 

It's a bit corny.

 

I think thats probably very true

The J50 isnt really suited for mass production.

 

Porsche does exactly the same. What is the logic in making the 911R a limited production, exclusive car only available to 918 owners. All their best cars are not available to purchase.I placed a deposit on the 911R before any dealer had a clue that the car would ever exit. I was first in line and was told, if any were available after 918 owners had first right of refusal, I would get one. According to Pfaff, the largest dealer in Canada, I missed out by one. This after owning 8 Porsches in the last 10 years. Porsche has completely alienated me as a future buyer.

 

I don't think the j50 as any better then the 488, certainly not the front.

 

I agree

 

Not a good looking design. And the 911r....what a joke. Come on.

 

Follow the money

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Please, there's always a new/better/faster Porsche/Ferrari/McLaren coming out. I hope you moved that deposit to the 2018 911 GT2 RS

 

You're making a pretty big assumption that the masses would like and want the J50. I honestly don't think they would. These low volume cars are actually usually pretty polarizing when it comes to reception. The cars for the masses have to be exotic, but not too far out there.

 

Pfaff Bluff you when they said you missed out by one. LOL. Even any 918 owner didn't want it, still he/she would take it and then resell it. Most limited edition now mostly go to reseller.

 

Where ya gonna go and not experience this to some degree?


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No because the models I want from Porsche , they will never sell me.

 

Exactly. Every limited edition is now unavailable. I am no longer interested in any of the regular
Porsche models that are readily available as they no longer excite me. Getting my thrills from Italy now.

 

Ferrari is not going to give you limited edition too, even harder to get. When I talked about TDF, they LOL at me. And Lambo too. Just look at how many Aventador SV available on the market now.
At least in Porsche Vancouver, they told me right away that 911R was zero chance, not missed by one. LOL. But they guaranteed me the 991.2 GT3 (manual) and RS.

 

911R sounded great at the start, but it's limited production and availability to the general public is laughable considering they essentially created the "peoples Porsche" and told the people to stick it.

To top that off, they gave owners of the 911R the shaft just as well by announcing the new GT3 will come with a manual option. Wasn't that the whole allure of the 911R? The R is now essentially a GT3 without a wing and some fancy paint schemes. I feel bad for the people purchasing them in the $500k range right now. What a joke.

 

It's the crazy market that has done the damage, post QE, low rates, auction records etc.

eg 991 R production would not have been an historically low number. (It's considerably more than the total 996RS production, and more than the 4.0RS, both of which were readily available for a period pre-boom).

Porsche struggled to sell all 918s. (PS - the right to new models only applies in US, lots of 918 owners elsewhere did not get an R).
McLaren cut P1 production from 500 to 375 as they didn't think there was a market etc. New cars have only recently gone through the roof.

There are two streams to the manufacturer exploitation of the current market. Firstly, they create high demand cars at a sensible list price for 'special' customers. They then tell everyone else that the way to get on the list is to buy numerous FFs/F12s/Panameras/TurboS etc. I know people who have bought multiple cars they didn't really want, in order to stay in line. So far, it's not cost them much as second hand/trade-in prices have held up, but it's a risky game IMO - you could get hit with lots of depreciation on the 'buy-in' cars at the same time as the value of the specials falls back.

In this case, people are buying lots of cars at list price, to get a special car that they can buy at list, and either keep and get the benefits of it, or flip and make a big profit (at the moment). Half of the unhappiness over allocations is the thought of lost 'profit', not the loss of the car experience.

Secondly, and this applies to the J50, some manufacturers - Ferrari, McLaren, Lamborghini (not Porsche, ironically) - are making extremely expensive derivatives which they are selling at exorbitant prices to people who are able to pay over the top for 'exclusivity'. Carbon P1, "BP23", j50, Veneno, Centenario etc are all cars that are basically tarted-up versions of existing kit. (No disrespect to anyone who has one - clearly they have been dong something right!).

It's nice to be on the list to get special cars at normal prices, (eg an R at £150k/$180k) as long as you get there by buying what you want along the way, but personally I have no wish to be on the list for things like a J50 which in reality is just a special price!

 

I can fully understand that limited production, highly expensive models like the P1, La Ferrari, 918 etc are always going to be created and I have no problem with that since I have little interest in spending 7 figures on a car. But why would Porsche offer a car like the 911R on a limited basis which is priced similarly to their other models. The 911R is a car many Porsche enthusiasts would like to own and Porsche could sell many times the number they allotted. Continuing the practice of offering their most exciting models to only a select few will continue to piss off Porsche owners. It has me and many others I have spoken to. I personally have little interest in their regular offerings as I have found them over the long run lacking in excitement. The models that provide more of what I am looking for are unattainable.

The same does not apply to Lamborghini or Ferrari. Their regular models provide more than sufficent excitement. And when they create a special, limited production variant of an exciting model, the price is virtually double the original. Imagine Ferrari creating a special driver focussed version of the 488, like the Speciale, but at the same or fractionally higher price of the 488, but virtually no Ferrari owners would be afforded the opportunity to purchase it. That is exactly the practise Porsche is adhering to.