Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

If the distance is fixed and you cover ground faster initially due to better launch, you have less time to reach a high speed. Hence why faster ETs usually have lower traps.

Sorry about the video, next time I'll just claim the lap times without a video, like Grand Tour did. And JFC at least the lap times ended up ball park unlike Solomondrin running 2s slower in an LT than a stock 570S on Corsas with a 50whp exhaust and ECU tune LOL.

 

So everyone else with a 918 broke before the beam, except you? Stop kidding yourself.

 

And Apolo mysteriously has a factory souped up 918. Stop Kidding yourself

If the tuner P1 LM is a factory car like the 918 WP why isn't it on mclaren's website? oh right because its a tuner car
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So Lieven/Myoscoft: instead of perhaps admitting that the 918 is faster than you thought, or perhaps that the P1 and LAF aren't as fast of you thought, your twisted conclusion is somehow that Apolos 918 is faster than all others? That has to be the most asinine conclusion you could draw but I guess we should expect that. Never mind that Porsche is probably the best auto manufacturer in the world at building vehicles to exacting specifications. I'd expect (and indeed there is evidence) that Ferrari can have performance variability among different cars of the same model. Porsche though, and on a highly limited production run where each gets special attention, not happening.

And I don't even like the 918 to defend it as much as I have to with you, but I sure do respect it for being a performance powerhouse. As should you.

 

A question for Exoticcardreamer and all the other hypercar owners on this forum:
We have spent over a thousand pages discussing primarily lap times, no doubt due to their tremendous speed capabilities. But how about their everyday driveability on the roads? Compared to the other cars you own, how would you rate them on the basis of taking the car for an extended drive on a winding highway mixed in with urban traffic? These cars after all were designed for the road first, track second. That is not something that is often discussed.

 

That's a simple but complicated question.

I have what is called Race Mode 2. The car is only lowered one inch from its normal ride height but everything else is in race mode. Therefore, I have the ability to drive in race mode everywhere. I can't see through the rear view mirror because the wing is in the way. The lifter isn't available to me in race mode so I have to plan my drive accordingly (know where the speed bumps are; which driveways I'm going to have to go in and out of and know where the pot holes are.

The trunk space is pretty much non existent.

I have an MSO exhaust and inside the cabin you can really hear the turbo swishes. This is very enjoyable to me. I don't think I have ever even tried listening to music in the car.

Ride height in race mode 2 is ok to do canyon runs. I won't scrape (surprisingly in the 675 LT I will scrape and many people have reported that).

A big thing about mclarens in general is that they have the suspension and transmission controls separated. Normal, sport and track for suspension and normal, sport and track transmission. You can have the suspension in normal and have a very nice and smooth ride but have the transmission set to track so you get that real fast throttle response.

In ferrari's if you put it in race you lose the ability to soften the suspension.

If you have a passenger in a ferrari and you have it set to race then it is not so enjoyable to your passengers because the car is pretty stiff but in mclarens because of the separation of suspension and transmission it is more enjoyable to passengers since it is so smooth.

Other soft things to consider is support from the dealers/manufactuer. Porsche is obviously everywhere so if you need to get the car checked out or it has a check engine light on then it is pretty easy to get it addressed.

Mclaren and Ferrari don't have anywhere near the dealer network. Therefore, if a dealer isn't local to you then it could be a little problematic to get things addressed with your car (shipping coordination, who pays for it, time to get an appointment, etc.).

A big thing about Mclaren is that they cover the warranty if you track their cars and if you want to pay the dealer they will send out a technician to assist you at the track. My dealer provides free shipping from our homes to the dealer and back whereas other dealers (ie., ferrari doesn't do that and porsche dealers don't do that either). At our track day with the laferrar, 918 and p1 (buckblu was changing his own tires/rims (he's a bit of a do it yourself guy though)

Biggest issue with the hypercars is the attention you get whenever you bring it out in public. People are always talking to you, driving in your blind spot, taking videos, etc. If you decide you want to speed then it is a good bet that you will end up in someone's snapcha or instagram stories or on some facebook spotters group speeding and that in itself has challenges. For every person who is updating waze for where the police are there is another person who is calling 911 to report a speeding exotic car -.

 

Says the guy leading a pack of exotic cars while simultaneously getting the attention of CHP

P1 is an acceptable road car, I've done a few week long trips in it. Hardest part is not losing your license as its most fun (IMO) in the 120-180 range.

I saw the post about Reeds P1 1/4 mile and 1/2 mile runs. I know Reed well. He did those runs just after he got his car and in race mode which have no TC and should have been in sport mode. But quite honestly there is no mode where the P1 will do well in VMAX because the TC calibration is off. I've been pushing McLaren to update it, which they acknowledge. Its on their to-do list.

 

Ha ha. Didn't know you were still watching the thread -

 

@exoticcardreamer: there is a bumpy road button on the steering wheel that works even in Race mode.



Last month I shipped my car down to LA for the grand opening of the LA Porsche Experience Centre. After the event we did a road trip from Terranea Resort all the way up the coastline to SF. With overnight stops in Beverly Hills, Santa Barbara and Big Sur.

8 owners, 4 with their own 918s and 4 drove Porsche's 911 Turbo S 'rentals'.

One convoy of 918s and one convoys of 911s. No fun getting stuck in LA traffic. But it is a great sight to see 4 of them in a row. People with cell phones basically record us while driving. Pretty scary stuff that they might drive into us.

Had to pack stuff enough for a week as I had to drive back from SF to LA and stay for an extra couple days, the front trunk is barely enough and I had to utilize the 918 fitted luggage for the garment bag the hangs behind the seats.

Wrote a lengthy review of the trip at Rennlist, so not gonna retype the whole thing here:

My 918 or at least a report of it - Page 37 - Rennlist Discussion Forums

 

Yeah I saw some of those pics of your drive -.

I learn something new after driving 20k miles in Ferraris . I tried that button once . Didn't seem to work so never tried it again. I like it bumpy though

This was the drive that Frefan was talking about

https://instagram.com/p/BKQz2YYg8nN/

Last year I got away with doing a few launches on 17 mile drive during car week but this year it seems the police were waiting for anyone who was going to try it again


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Touch wood, we didn't encounter one single CHP for the whole 5 days.

 

You talk as if there had been 30 or so 918s, I only recall another 2. Also in my experience with the 918, tyre pressures play a big part in the way in which the car performs on track.

In short I have no idea as to why my car appears to out perform others.....

 

about the F1 and the "famous" 7'11" @ Ring, or it was strogly modified, or it's pure fantasy. A stock F1 with 627ps and stadard setup on 17" rims and 1994 tyres cannot do it!
if you'd put modern Michelin Pilot SC2, you'd record sub-7min, easly!! F1 beats the holy trinity?? pure fantasy!
Evo ten years ago show us how the F1 can match against Enzo and CGT, but
1. Enzo and CGT =/= 918 and LaFerrari...
2. "that" F1 was not stock, but on 18" rims, modern tyres and hard-modified setup.
end of the 7'11"

 

So explain why no other 918 has gotten within 4mph of him and why it's as quick as a LaF over a 1.7 miles stretch.

Because it's a sold out MSO special and limited to just 5. The MSO HS isn't there either.

 

I've posted the link to the results from several Vmax events, there are a handful of other 918s in there and not one has got within 4mph of Apollo's. He knows that as, he's just trying to misrepresent the situation. Sure it might be factory variation, a damn large one of 50-100hp, or it may be an ECU tweak he has deliberately not mentioned.

 

There have been 6 others. More than enough to draw a conclusion about typical performance.

Results | VMAX200

 

Lol, like I am going to do on a Million pound car....Would tyre pressures make a big diff? I do play around with TPs a lot on my 91RS also. Road PSI is 40 all round on 918, at V-Max when warm I run 33-36, takes about 2-3 dial downs to get there....

This reminds me, have a look at the video below....My 918 broke his lap record round there that had stood for 30 years, with 1.19.1. He is karting Champ and was on Avon Slicks btw........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTuqXPSRa60

 

so, if they made it streetlegal and used streettyres would it be comparable to the 458 speciale (918 WP)?

no, one is a pure racecar while the other is a lightened roadcar with more downforce

you have yet to give me an article/interview

 

Apolo,
I’m sure, that you have tweaked your ECU in your sleep and forgot afterwards. Maybe in the garage with your pyjamas…

Who are you to argue with Mycroft about your own car, haha

 

He's only doing what he's paid to do........ie, defend P3 at all costs....Lol

 

Sure, many do. Unless tyre pressure is a mile off, it shouldn't make much difference. Like I've said, there's no other 918 that runs as fast as yours and no other test shows it to be as fast as P1s and LaFs at high speeds.

Wow, your car must be really slow then.

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Yes it would, if they made it street legal.

I don't need to, it's an official fact. I honestly can't even find anything that old even mentioning tyres at all. P1 also didn't need Corsas to beat the 918 on a flying lap at Portimao, nor did need them to be near as damnit to the 918 at Anglesey Coastal, which is one of the slowest, shortest tracks on the planet, so should have played to the 918. Looks like in a recent 2up outing, it was faster on Anglesey International too. I can only imagine what would happen somewhere like Spa or Monza.

 

This has nothing to do with specific brands, it's a well established fact, established by every single test. The 918 is not fast as the other two above 100mph. The fact I even need to argue this proves how much of a relentless deluded Porsche fanboy you are. Lap times are always questionable but straight line acceleration above 100mph is a very clear cut thing.

All I'm saying is that at the end of the day, you drive the same car as Justin Bieber. And I know that's hard to take, and I can understand you being upset about it, but stop trying to justify it.

 

Your comments get crazier and crazier. Have you ever thought about seeking some help?

 

Have just sent you one pic and 2 graphs, as you can see race logic set up all 3 cars. The Graph is the best results of about 8 runs, you can see that its about 135 in which the P1 and Lafa start to reel in the 918, but to the 1/2 mile and the Mile the 918 is quicker.

3 customer cars, same day, same track, 3 very good drivers. Temp was 8d and overcast track conditions not to bad, don't forget that V-Max is uphill to start. I know that they are not the quickest times for either car. But all was fair on the day.....

Please post up. Can not get link to work....