Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I could live with driving the same car as Bieber if it is a 918 ..... what do you drive then (all three cars in question?) given you seem to know an awful lot of facts about all of them (even more so than the various [other] owners who contributed)?

 

The same car as his mummy

 

sroser/mycroft/lieven right now
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Here it is...
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I am the help.

 

I will give you the high speed point....

Different version of the sprint track, lot shorter......

 

Right, which shows that at the 5s mark the gradient of the P1's curve is steeper, so it is acceleration faster, even against what's probably the fastest 918 out there. By the 1/2 mile mark the P1 is just 15m behind, after starting from a dead stop on a terrible surface, which added 0.8s to its best 1/4 time. The AWD 918 is less affected by the bad surface.

But even in this somewhat atypical test, we see that starting from an 80mph roll, or coming off an 80mph corner on Spa, the P1 would trample the 918. So apply that to the exit of O'rouge at 120mph, ignoring the fact that the P1's downforce will enable it to go through faster anyway.

On a better surface against a more typical 918, this is the result. Graphs cross at 7s rather than 10s.

http://media.fastestlaps.com/32e8617c934c
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Sorry but your version isn't recognised. And the fact it isn't listed on the largest DB of lap times on the net makes me very doubtful.

 

*facepalm

f*ck it, i'll find the articles myself then

 

lieven, here are some articles:

2015 McLaren P1 - Specifications, Pictures, Prices
McLaren P1: $2M hypercar revealed
https://recombu.com/cars/article/mclaren-p1-15-things-you-need-to-know#

all of the articles are from 2013

 

Here is the evolution of Lievens arguments:

1. P1 is the best, beats the 918 everywhere, every test where the 918 won is rigged.

2. OK. maybe the P1 isn't the best, but there is this thing called the P1 LM, and it's directly comparable to a 918 WP, and that is clearly better than the rest.

3. Fine....P1 LM doesn't count, but 918 is slow...oh wait, someone has data that shows its just as fast as the others....****......well let me tell you, I know for a FACT that particular 918 is faster than all the others

He's still clinging to #3 at the moment. Can't wait to see what's next.

 

ha ha....but you forgot when all else fails, Justin B has one.......

 

Your extremely precise youtube science doesn't factor in weather conditions. The only way your claim would hold any water would be if all other 6 918s were there on the same day Apolo's "super" 918 made its run. Temp, humidity, and importantly wind all have huge effects and can greatly impact a cars top speed on a given day. I've personally seen 2+ second variations in lap time from a morning track session to afternoon in a GT3 spec car caused just by the temp going up 15 degrees. Stop kidding yourself

P1 LM not recognized by them because its a tuner car that's finished in a 3rd party shop 40 miles away from the factory. F1 LM rolled out of Mclaren's doors hence why it's all over their own website unlike the tuner p1 lm. Stop kidding yourself

 

Yeah, so they're talking about the standard non-option tyre. So what?

 

1. Not really. I think the 918 is faster on slow tracks and the P1 is faster on faster tracks. I think Salomondrin's tests are rigged, because the times are provably 5s off the mark in places.

2. You wanted a tyre for tyre test, and the P1 LM has tyres of the same type and width.

3. Someone has data showing his car to be 4mph faster than every other 918 ran on that strip. Hence not representative. And I don't think anyone here believes a regular 918 out-accelerates the other 2 above 100mph. Only you and your buddy.

 

I call it the nuclear option.

 

You can see where they finished relative to LaFs and P1s on the same day. So it works either way.

But it's irrelevant because every damn official test shows the LaF and P1 faster above 100mph, and usually above 60mph on a good surface.

So why isn't the MSO HS also all over their website. Oh dear, your argument fell down there didn't it?

Where exactly is the F1 LM, which also had the help of Lazante BTW, along with the road registered F1 GTRs. Are the McLaren Formula One cars on their website also from the road car division? Sorry, you're talking tosh.

 

Whats that big shiny orange car right on their website?? Oh right thats the F1 LM. Stop kidding yourself little guy.


Of course weather conditions are relevant little guy. The day Apolo's factory souped up 918 ran there was only one laferrari which set a higher top speed (210 vs 209). No P3 ran, so can't compare because it didn't run on same day. It should also be noted the speed that the laferrari set that day was the highest any laferrari has ever run there. The next highest being 207. But I guess that was also a factory chipped souped up laferrari little guy. That's the only way to define the speed variable. Not that there was a tail wind or temps may have been more optimal on that day, no way thats impossssibleee. Stop kidding yourself little guy.
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What's with the insult of "little guy"

A question for Apolo; if you are trapping higher than other 918's then what are those other owners saying? I imagine it would be a topic of conversation.

The P1's have all been doing 180 at half a mile from the people I have talked to. Only one person told me I could get it to 185 if I used Race Gas.

If I was trapping higher then others then it would definitely be a topic of conversation with people who were trapping at lower speeds.

 

Do you have any idea about speed and distance covered?

It's all about area under the curve. In your own graph, the 918 pulled out such a big lead distance wise, the P1 is still behind the 918 even at the 11 second mark when the P1's curve stopped. Yes the P1 is accelerating faster, but it is still playing catchup distance wise.

 

He's not though.....did you see the traps speeds from his test? They're actually lower than other 918's I've seen, just higher than the other cars on that day. It's just Lieven's unfounded and pointless argument at this point. As for the day he trapped 209, I don't know anything about that. Not sure if he has telemetry from that day or in what distance he did it in. I know that my friends 918 has done 199 in the standing mile, covering it in 24.7 seconds. I have all the data from his runs on a runway saved somewhere on my comp. Good quality runway, good weather conditions as well. Its a WP car. As for Porsche somehow giving Apolo a better 918, that's just silly. If they were going to, wouldn't they give it to a car that ordered the $100k + WP option? But again, why would they do that?

 

Can we all narrow the criteria where these cars are operated? For example here in the South Pacific our max speed limits on the road are either 100km/h or 120km/h or 62 - 74 mp/h so any car that operates best at 80mph and above is unusable. Now a car that can accelerate to 100km/h quicker than the others is really perfect, perfect I say. Most of our tracks are pretty slow too so suit the 918 as well.

 

so mycroft is the mclaren's nanny?

 

I agree that we should avoid name calling. Don't let this get like some other forums - eg PC vs Mac, Ford vs Chevy, Android vs ios. Those get extremely nasty with swearing etc. We should be able to have civil debates and disagreements. These are just cars after all, not life and death matters.

 

+1, I think we all have a duty to put Lieven in his place for his crazy comments but we can do so with civility.