Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

My eyes are seeing a lower height car with camber. I don't understand if that you are making fun of me.

http://cdn1.evo.co.uk/sites/evo/files/images/dir_422/car_photo_211245.jpg
http://image.automobilemag.com/f/classic-cars/gooding-and-co-to-auction-1995-mclaren-f1-and-1933-alfa-romeo-8c-monza/28578773+w750+st0/1995-mclaren-f1-front-view.jpg

 

Okay but the F50 and F1 tested were stock.They do modify the cars but if they do they also state it like they did with RSD 430 Scuderia,Shadow Nissan GTR,etc.Also in the suzuka test F40 was around 1s faster than F50 inspite of newer tires.

Yeah I know that F1 GTR hit 330 or 329kph at Mulsanne straight but it was during the race where the driver could have drafted the LMPs.Like I said aerodynamically that topspeed is impossible to achieve without slipstream.Because I read that even Bugatti Chiron with 288mph topspeed hit only 236mph in the straight so that means that even F1 will struggle to hit 205mph without draft if it couldn't even do 200mph+ at Nurburgring.
Bugatti Chiron Top Speed - Fastest Car at Le Mans

In practice and qualifier fastest car only hit 302kph according to an archive from official Le Mans website.Also highest speed in 1995 was 281kph as stated in website.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090222141917/http://www.lemans.org/24heuresdumans/pages/retro/p_divers_8_gb.html

 

The F50 that they used in Suzuka was modded. But how can be sure if a car modded/not modded if they aren't clear?

Concerning the top speed in Mulsanne straight, the Wallace top qualifyng lap of LM is really comprensible he push hard the 6th gear before the Hunaudieres restaurant. How is possible a much lower than 300 kph speed? it's a 6th at full thorttle for so many secs. Have you verified the speed on video? Well I did.

 

I'll search through my computer at the office and see if I can find the data somewhere. Worst case I can get the raw data and plug into excel or something.

 

You posted the wrong link, as u have a tendency to do (intentional?)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GuCcQQOtDlI

This is legit though, the P1 is an absolute monster above 120 mph which is why I asked exoticcar what he thought about his vs Veyron ss at those higher speeds.

 

The specification of F50 they showed was that of stock except perhaps the rims and exhaust,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxTu80ZO3Uo
In this video there is first run of F50 at suzuka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6UXHqngdxI
The weight of F50 from Ferrari's site.The tires they used were also different i.e P Zero Assymetrica vs Goodyear Eagle they used in 1st run.
Ferrari F50 (1995) - Ferrari.com

And also like I said,F1 may IMO do less than 7:30 at ring considering its Estoril time.And about F1 GTR video,now that I saw video,it may have been near 300kph.

 

So the F50 wasn't stock, even because behind the Tubi exhaust you never now about details if uncatted and/or remapped. You really don't know about the improvement. Lighter rims also gave a little advantage on rolling but just a tiny detail.

If you are so sure of less than 7.30 I respect your opinion but it's not objective, and you cannot claim it as objective. Concerning the trap speed you are joking again because Wallace was around 320 kph (+/-) in front of the restaurant.

There are a lot of errors on that top speed on press/web, but if you check the straight is close to be 2 kms in the first section, Andy was full throttle for more than 22 seconds and when I checked the speed was so high in front of the restaurant. Concerning drag the GTR was higher than road car due to the wing and some other details but also the road car had in front long distance before bracking. Tertre Rouge is still a fast corner.

 

Why wouldn't a manufacturer be proud and have their F1 car on their website, Ferrari does just the same thing. They "manufactured" it so it's on their website. Just like the F1 Lm & P1 GTR and UNLIKE the tuner P1 LM. We aren't discussing the HS. Sorry buddy you're argument makes no sense.

LOLOL you fail to mention another 918 that was only 2 MPH down to the LaFer on the same day. But his car must be factory chipped also because its 2 MPH faster than PB's 918. No way that the driver skill, fuel load, settings used at launch, charge status could make up a whopping 2MPH. Another way of thinking of it is that the Black 918 was 0.9% faster than PB's. Whoaaa that's enormous, forget what I said he must have a factory chip AND an exhaust to be that much faster. Keep grabbing at thin air buddy you're arguments make no sense.
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Well the P1 LM isn't on Lazante's site either, so your argument fails again. And the MSO HS isn't on McLaren site either, so your argument still fails.

And that F1 LM on their site is super well hidden, I had to use Google to find it rather than the site links.

https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/event-coverage/festival-of-speed/2016/6/lanzante/

Of course, you are aware of how Copyright works right? Do you think anyone can just use a Mclaren badge for their product without permission. And a rip of the F1 LM theme? Do you think that would run, if McLaren wasn't in on it?

Be quiet with the driver skill in a straight line run. Blind people have done these kinds of run. 2mph difference is still different to 1mph different and many customer LaFerraris seem to be very slow. That 963hp is definitely questionable. It was also Apollo's car in this test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H43_lkBkGkg&t=329s

The problem is that they're also 2 different LaFs, so maybe PB's LaF is also slow relative to Nick Mason's. Like I said, it could be a factory fluke 918, OR a tune. But it isn't representative of the typical one way or another. There's a customer P1 that's done 0-200mph in just under 20s, also not typical. It's very difficult to actually tell the difference between a fast stock car and an ECU tune, and McLaren quarter times over on dragtimes prove that, with the fastest stock vehicles faster than some tuned examples.

http://dragtimes.com/McLaren--MP4-12C-Drag-Racing.html

This 570S is only 50whp down on a stock 675LT stock (1:29), which is also underrated by 20hp, allowing for a 15% loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1JkByomaXA
http://www.fabspeed.com/mclaren-675lt-fabspeed-ecu-tune/

This stock 570S has ran faster than any stock customer 488.

http://dragtimes.com/McLaren--570S-Drag-Racing.html

So tune or not, his 918 is not typical.

 

No, mine shows a P1 too. Your video appear to get 205mph in 23s, slightly faster than the factory car with Autocar (0-200mph is 23s), 0.6mph faster in mile too. Mistake was shifting up into 7th though in your video. You hold 6th for top speed, so probably room for improvement. So much for factory cars being ringers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfLqa4vlmFI&t=294s

It's a monster as soon as it has full traction. That can be as low as 70-75mph on a good surface. Under perfect conditions on a good surface, it will be very close to a 918 in time at the quarter mile, just as MT's test showed, which was on Corsas too.

 

LOLOLOL keep digging. It's not on Lanzante's site because they barely have one. It's just a phone number and email.

Hahah you really shot yourself in the foot with that link buddy. You have the owner of Lanzante describing that they "COPIED" what Mclaren did with the F1LM. Proving the P1LM to be a tuner car and the F1 LM to be a McLaren manufactured car.

And it keeps getting better. Now the LaFers are slow and factory flukes jeeeeezz. Just admit the 918 is faster than you thought and move on.
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Yes but my friend the trap speed you posted and the video you posted don't match up. So you can't make a claim and then link a video as proof that doesn't match your claim. That's aka posting the wrong video.

 

About F50,if it had ligher rims wouldn't it weigh less than 1230kg?And exhaust also only produced 530hp which is the same as Ferrari's claim.At fiorano F50 was faster than F40 by 2s.

Now about the topspeed,I really can't give an opinion about the speed unless I am pretty sure because the speed wasn't visible in the video to me and we also don't know about the gear ratio's used in the car it can be tuned for any speed,secondly we don't know how much downforce it opted for at Le Mans,and it could be drag limited to a certain speed at the straight,we just don't know.Yes the Tetre Rouge is a fast corner but in 2007 it was made faster which reduced lap times by 3s.
Le Mans - RacingCircuits.info
Le Mans 24 Hours 2007 - Racing Sports Cars
Le Mans 24 Hours 2006 - Racing Sports Cars

Now an Engineering book I said stated that F1 GTR had a drag coefficient of 0.57 and if its frontal area is almost same as that of standard F1,it should only be able to reach around 200mph under its own power if air density is 1.25,it is highly unlikely to do 200mph+ unless the weather is really hot or humid.

And about 7:30,I base it on how much faster was F1 GTR than XJ220 LM around track,how much faster it was around Estoril and it is only my opinion,you are free to agree or disagree,I am not claiming it as an objective.

 

Claimed weights are usually uncorrected to give the right answer to the Japan data, and the F50's power was claimed at 520 Euro HP. Anyway a exhaust could mean a huge gain of hp or torque if we consider the points mentioned earlier. Decatted? Mapped?

Everyone if free to think what he own prefer.

PS. No hard feelings. I'm not able to undestand you when you are trying to claim as objective something in your opinion, neglecting every time you are in front to an other's objective one. The case of that Japan F50 is a pure example of what I'm trying to say. You gave for fact that Michelin tires as objective improvement by 3 secs per lap, you said this, when there are objective points for the mods. Again exactly the same kind of mistake you made with the blue F1.

lol this is pure apples vs oranges. Is that objective also?

 

No I don't intend to make fun of you from the photos I see the ride height looks the same,you have to look at it from the same view to get conclusion.

Incase uploaded photos aren't visible,here are the urls 1st one has that car side by side with other F1's
http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/mclaren-f1-2751010437418621600x1060_0.jpg?itok=Bsui1Ds0
http://www.carphotos.org/wp-content/gallery/f1/mclaren-front.jpg
http://images.psxextreme.com/wallpapers/ps3/mclarenf1_01.jpg
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Mclaren F1 is so beautiful. Best car ever made.

 

Yes, that's magic, check at the height of a alignment from the front angled. Uh.

 

Heh, you'd think they'd have their latest creation on there though wouldn't you?

The F1 LM isn't really on McLaren's site either. It's not under 'Legacy', it's in some article hidden away somewhere. So the only difference is that they haven't got round to writing one on the P1 LM yet.

And again, no Mclaren MSO HS either. So your argument fails.

Which itself, is a copy of what Lazante did to road register F1 GTRs. Try again.

Can you explain why they were allowed to breach copyright then, and sell it as a Mclaren P1 LM, if it is a unassociated tuner car? Wow, could I say take some Porsche racecars, modify them for the road, and sell them as Porsche XXXs without Porsche's say-so? Don't think so. You don't even understand how commercial law works do you?

Just admit it and move off, the P1 LM is a legitimate car and likely faster than a 918 or LaF. Even a thread about it in the P1 section. Hasn't been moved to 'Other Cars' has it? XP1 LM. Hmmm....

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/54321-p1-lm.html

That is a slow LaF, like it or not. The 918 only made 195mph in the mile with Autocar, the P1 made 205mph with Autocar and slightly higher with a customer car in another test in the US. Bruntingthorpe is 1.6-1.7 miles depending on the day.

Just admit a 918 has never beat 200mph in a mile and move on. I said some LaFs were relatively slow. You get slow and fast examples of all the cars. And like I said, it's impossible to tell the difference between a fast example and a tuned average example.

 

Okay,I don't think I was wrong about #40 only change visible was tires and rims, 3s per lap was for 2:29 lap which isn't much.Then you also are making same mistake you made about Estoril test if you still claim F1 is slow in corners.

 

Yeah, okay, I see what you mean now. I got my numbers confused (204.7 not 205.44). It's 205mph to the nearest mph in either video though. Maybe could have made 206mph in your video if he hadn't changed up at 7300rpm. Can't figure out that decision. That car was pretty fast though, seemed to reach 205mph in 23s and 186mph in 17s even without a proper launch.

 

Okay if it wasn't enough to convince you,look at the photo of F1 gathering,ride height is clearly the same.

 

Ah because these wheels are the same?

http://www.joe911.com/mclaren-f1/hires/114_1479.jpg 17" you posted

http://thumbsnap.com/s/eyaMaNSu.jpg 18" the mentioned rims

Give you a check. Another objective detail being not objective. If Estoril detail is in the same way then good luck.

 

Actually it is on mclarens site and I don't think it was hidden anywhere and was easy to find for me.
McLaren F1 - The Story

 

Yeah I was wrong on the size part thats why I removed it from comment but Estoril detail is same way as there is no way F1 will be slower than M3 E30 at any part of circuit,I also gave every detail to prove it and also from the graph of the track there is supposed to be 3 corners from 32-50.Also if you see the radius graph of the turn,there is a 0.11r turn mentioned in the graph in that interval and it pulled 0.9g.

But in the image of silver F1 you posted earlier and #40 you posted now,ride height was same.

 

Oh, after all your maximum...dry yourself. I need time to check the points.