Thanks and welcome. if we can all pitch in maybe we can put it together
well, not to derail the thread but my 75 gt4 has a recessed nose badge just like this. Someone said it was done at a body shop but looks too perfect to me. I thought it may have been a special request when ordered or when the transfer from dino to ferrari it was done at the dealer or dealer order through factory. Most rectangle dino badges were filled in with a top mount ferrari badge. I have seen very very few recessed ferrari badge.
Never seen a horse one recessed on one of these, post a pic if you can My 75 only has the top mounted badge, not recessed, most likely done at it's dealership. What is neat is somewhere along the line somebody body filled where the orig Dino badge was-but it may still be in there and filled over and its just a crappy job. I'm looking forward to digging into that when I respray this car-of course I've been threatening to respray it for 8 yrs but hell no rush
5 valve heads were thought to offer a big advantage over 4 valve heads at the time that the 355 was being designed (Ferrari also used 5 valve heads in the 412T2 Formula 1 car that competed in 1995), but in the end it was decided that the additional parts and complexity of the 5 valve system didn't offer a big enough advantage to make it worthwhile continuing with and so they reverted back to 4 valve heads (on both the road cars and the F1 cars). Apart from poor valve guide sleeves on early 355's, what other problems exist with them to make them so bad? - The 355's engine has always been rated as being one of the greatest engines ever made (Especially for the noise it generates!). The 348's engine on the other hand, whilst not slated, hardly received the same amount of praise that the 355 engine got, and within a couple of years of production, was actually being accused of not being powerful enough to beat the competition any more. I also doubt that LDM had much to do with the design of the heads in the 355, so to blame him for them being so bad (allegedly), is a tad unfair! As for the early 308 GT4's with "Ferrari" badge indentations: How many of these cars are wearing their original, factory fitted nose panels? I wouldn't be surprised to find that there were some owners who wanted their early 308 GT4's to wear a proper "Ferrari" badge rather than a "Dino" badge and so had the original nose panel replaced with a later nose panel, or cars that were in front end collisions had the later nose panel and badges fitted.
Mine has a dino badge on nose, wheels, and script on trunk lid. I left the Ferrari Horse on the steering wheel and the little chrome horsie on the back
Agree. Very few survived Nor Yamaha uses anymore 5 valves heads: they were just marketing and in F1 they were just a problem. In any case It's just to say that the 348 wasn't so bad as Montezemolo said, nor to to say anything else. ciao
That's very cool, like the photo I posted that I found. That's a whole other research topic for sure. MyJan 75 is 09966. We are pretty close in build!
Could not find any more photos in my library and was waiting for Alberto to give us the official word from his contacts in Classiche.
I know all early (75) gt 4 had dino badge on the nose ,may be your car's nose was changed in the past or a very good tinman made the modification. Are you the first and unique owner of the car? I agree , only very few early gt 4 survive with original nose dino badge
Yeah classiche info would be great if they give it. An old timer at Ferrari would be great to ask. Or if someone knows someone who worked at bertone. I've stopped my search the past few days. As I am preparing my car for the body shop for a respray and a return to Avorio Safari paint which is another complication. I have bad luck with body shops. Always bs costs and stories and the previous repair story and so on. Btw on a gy4 rear valance where it meets the quarter panel is the seam exposed or filled in? I have seen both ways. Also under the door where the rocker meets the bottom of the quarter panel is the seam exposed or filled in? Thx
it's not related to GT4 production: Carrozzeria Zanasi is a famous (and very expensive) body shop in Maranello.
It is one of the famous shops names linked to Ferrari; these shops are near, or around the factory, such as Toni Auto for instance... Rgds
I get the impression from this thread that people are thinking the production process for the 308GT4 is different because it was initially marketed under the Dino brand and the involvement of other Italian manufacturers somehow supports that belief. For me Ferrari is THE manufacturer of the 308GT4 but that does not mean it had to build everything itself. Like any manufacturer it has "make or buy" decisions based on capabilities and productive capacity in-house, then availability, price, quality and delivery considerations of suppliers. Based on the normal volatility of the world these decisions will change over the time period of model production. The bits of the manufacturing story listed in this thread are not unique to the 308GT4 (except for the involvement of Bertone) rather this is how ALL Ferrari's of the era were built and those prior and those after, until more recent times were body panel production, assembly and painting appear to be done in-house.
Scagliettli was Ferrari's only mass body supplier at the time. Ferrari had one body supplier at the time and one chassis supplier at the time for the road cars... Michelotti handled the race cars/conversions. I doubt there was any tendering for quotes from other firms for body shells. The GT4 is interesting because we have one book saying Bertone made all the bodies and another book saying they made only the first and Scaglietti made the rest. They cannot both be correct. Nothing to do with the badge on the front. Everything to do with Bertone's involvement with Fiat and Ferrari at that time. Furthermore we have a lack of primary evidence... while there are plenty of photos of GTB body shells being made, we have found none of GT4 shells being made. Also, FYI... I think most would agree Ferrari body construction went "in house" in 1978 when Scaglietti ceased to exist and became another department of Ferrari... hardly more recent times.
Yes that book which I have stated that ludvigsen visited and photographed the factory many times. And there is a photo that the body was being assembled by Bertone. Now if we can find that photo of the body shells would be something
I was referring to images of the modern production line where body panels appear to be installed within the main assembly line as shown below. Scaglietti and Ferrari had been departments or business units within the Fiat group since 1969. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Interesting that the Dino 308 GT4 paint samples say Carrozzeria Scaglietti. Authentic Ferrari Dino 308GT4 Color Range / Paint Sample. Rare collectors Item! | eBay
