Why compare a TR to a 355 or 348 anyway? They're different series of cars. What about a TR vs 575 from maintenance cost perspective? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Because we were talking about cost to maintain. The cars requiring the engine out are the Boxer, TR, Mondial t, 348, 355. The cost for the major is about the same on all of them as they all require the same while you are in there stuff and the difference in the major service parts prices is negligible.
That's fair, but I think it's kind of like comparing Cindy Crawford (TR) to Margaret Thatcher (348/355). (Edit: I updated 3xx to 348/355)
Lots of love for Margaret http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/ferrari-discussion-not-model-specific/538827-poll-most-beautiful-modern-ferrari-1980-current.html
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Interesting discussion as to maintenance costs. I would ask what Ferrari is cheap to maintain? If one considers the Testarossa expensive to maintain, they've never owned a 12 cylinder Lamborghini. Yes, the engine out major is a big expense but it's still a mechanical car. I find , it's the electronics that go bad in modern cars and they're so expensive to repair or replace. My Diablo VT Roadster went through 3 GFA modules at 4500 ea. If a engine computer (2 needed ) goes out, good luck with that. They can't be repaired and finding one is getting impossible. An early Diablo computer is now going for 10k each. I only have 19k miles on my Murcielago Roadster and just got through replacing the egear module @ 4500, abs module @4500 and all done with tracing the issue a total of 14k. This has nothing to do with servicing. All these modern cars are great for the first 5 years but the electronics just don't last. I hear the 458 F1 system is a sealed transmission and can only bought as an assembly. As that car gets older, the servicing will go through the roof. With my daily driver 91 Testarossa, the problems have been mainly due to age...worn out rubber and seals. The general known issues like the fuse box and diff are one time fixes. The only cars that will stand the test of time will be the pre-electronic cars.....Testarossa, Countach etc. I'm just becoming more and more disappointed with modern exotics....that is if you want to keep them a long time. Shamile Freeze. . . Miami Vice! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
Sorry but you need to get real. You are comparing cancer to Alzheimer's and it makes the entire discussion absurd which it is not.
I don't follow you at all. My point is what may have seemed expensive "back in the day" is cheap now. The Testarossa maintenance cost is expensive....but not compared to the cost of the electronic issues I'm now seeing. Money is money....what's cheaper in the end? I say the Testarossa is cheaper to maintain when you factor everything to keep it on the road and drive it as a daily driver. You get it now? Shamile Freeze. ...Miami Vice! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
about 40 years ago we often made jokes: if the ashtray in a car is full you have to buy a new one ( new car ) now we have the problem that it makes no sense anymore because of the f..king electronic to spent a lot of money for new modules and then even those are still ok, mostly it is a problem of connections, so today we say then if you need a new module just buy a new car. the testarossa is really one of the last "non electronic cars" what every mechanic with a good knowledge of common technic could repair so what will you do in 20 years with a 430 if the electronic will fail? good luck ! ! !
....and that's what I'm trying to say! Shamile Freeze. . . Miami Vice! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
Ignoring the reality and defending it by saying "ya but this one is worse" in no way addresses the fact that in the automotive world, even the exotic world that the 348,355 and TR are expensive cars to operate and it effects their market value. The fact that some other minor player is more expensive in no way changes that. This dynamic is present in the boat and airplane world and most rational people get it. Sorry it is lost on you.
I'll try again. The Testarossa only seems expensive now because the 360, 430 and 458 are still newish cars. As the electronics age, it will make the costs of maintaining those vehicles to road worthy standards much higher and much more difficult. Both Ferrari and Lamborghini are known for just stopping to make parts for their older cars. When the supply of modules run out, you're stuck. Whether you like Lamborghini or not, the Diablo series is a great example of a sought after car that is being relegated to collecting dust...because you can't get the modules anymore or repair them. By contrast, anything for the Testarossa can be mechanically reproduced. It will still be running 20 years from now and only real costs will be the simple labor cost. Those computer cars? ....disposable. So, as far as this "values thread" is concerned, you can put your money into the Testarossa because it has longevity. It won't end up dead in the garage as a beautiful paperweight. Shamile Freeze. . . Miami Vice!
To me this is the same as looking back to when ODB scanners were starting to be used to diagnose and it was "wow, you need a crazy expensive handheld computer to work on your own car!!! Youll never be able to diy again!" And now you can go pick one up at autozone for 15 bucks. The same will happen with todays tech, as the cars age the tech needed for them will also, and it will become cheaper as more people my age get into them financially and start making their own home concocted electronic fixes much like you see custom made mechanical diy fixes sold and shared on here for older cars now.
Try to find a Leonardo or any other older Ferrari diagnostic tool for 15 bucks. Good luck! You need to add three zero after the 15 to get one and you don't have the parts yet. Low production high end cars are totally different than mass produce OBD.
even you know the mistake you still need the parts what are broken - and that would be the problem. because with those handheld computer you only can find the mistake, but not repair. and if you like to go deeper in the electronic you can not do this with those cheap handheld computers. even today it is not possible without online connection to the factory to adjust a car key to the electronic. the VIN is stored in the ECU and can not to be used on other cars without new programming. some "hackers" ( right word? ) may do this. and this now is only the beginning. even 15 years ago you coud not program a new key at VW if there has been inside an after market radio what the BUS system is not accepting.
Your comments are true for a high production vehicle. On a limited production 'modern' Ferrari, the computer costs will be stupid expensive. Prohibitively expensive.... Look at the Lambo numbers Shamile quoted.... in 20 years you can bet they will be 5 or more times that amount. Cheers! Vincenzo
