Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

You are really hilarious dude.

You believe you know more about what happened watching youtube videos than the guy who was there, who is also friends with GMG's owner and who actually ran the cars.

 

Heat soak, P1 does not like very high temps.

 

how many warm-up laps does salomondrin give the driver before he has to do the hotlap?

this is a factor which lieven skims over, for what we know the 2:15 by an amateur could've been through several trackdays before that time was achieved

 

The real factor is that they are all customer cars. Of course the driver isn't going to give any 100% bc the last thing he'd want to do is put one in a wall. There is no factory support and they aren't factory provided. So if the 918 is easier to drive at 9/10ths it has an advantage. That's part of the design though, it's certainly doesn't detract from the car. If the P1 is harder to get use to that's part of the design as well.

Also, it would be really hard for any owner to extract 100% out of any of these cars because again, there is always the chance they put their car into a wall. Why wouldn anyone want to ruin their amazing million $ machine just to prove they're a second quicker around a track than another million $ car.

 

Those details are not important to Mycroft, all he wants is a fast McLaren time, or a slow Porsche time.

You should have know that by now from seeing his posts.

 

I wish all forum members all the best for Christmas. May a shiny new set of keys be found under the tree!

 

Kind of irrelevant really, even Hoosier R7s and track alignment doesn't net you 12s. Also explain the GT3 RS running 2:16 with a non-pro? Or how about the GT3 RS Solomon ran in summer that was a second quicker than the Huayra and Veyron SS ran in Feb? The GT3 RS also beat the Aventador SV ran the same day by a whole second. Where else has that happened? Where else has it even got close?

As for heat soak, the ACR was ran summer and winter months, same times and both the same time as an NSX.

Everyone knows the guy's times are horse crap, apart from a few deluded Porsche fans.

 

Funny because it was the 918 that had to have its battery replaced afterwards.

Also doesn't explain why the ACR ran the same time in summer as winter. 1:21.86 vs 1:21.92. Same time as an NSX, which is slower than a Nissan GTR. So according to Solomon's times, a Nissan GTR is much faster than an Viper ACR, an Aventador SV, a Huayra and a Veyron SS.

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988

 

Can you explain why none of the cars in his Hyper 5 test exceeded or even reached 1g lateral or longitudinal according to the g-meter, yet in Chris Harris's test, they were regularly hitting 1.3g in slow hairpins and 1.1-1.3g during braking and touching as much as 1.7-1.8g in faster turns with slight camber, even though, according to many here, Chris Harris is a poor driver and a shill etc. etc.?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsaWMTqLDMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3YPTkBRaOk

 

All I want are times that look roughly correct relative to the time differences everyone else is measuring. A GT3 RS should not be quicker than an Aventador SV, Huayra and Veyron SS, especially when in rat in far hotter weather than the last 2, neither should an NSX. Not seen a LaF well over a second slower than a 918 anywhere else either.

I'd also like to see at least 1.0g achieved under braking and cornering, you know, to at least make it look like they're actually trying.

 

Merry Christmas to all the members and especially our best friend Mycroft or whatever his last iteration was...

 

Merry Christmas all.

(Even you boyko.)

 

You are so polite, my friend... Thank you!!!
And 918 is faster

 

Why can't you just accept what people ran on what particular day and particular ambient condition and be done with it? It's just times. Even F1 pros running on the Championship don't run the exact same time each and every race and every day and even on the same day and same tank of fuel.

People posting track videos runs are not for argument sake. It's entertainment. But you take to youtube videos like they are THE DEFINITE BIBLE of everything.

That tells us how uneducated you are.

The rest of the people here are educated, they can see what those times means, it just means the car put up that particular at at that particular date at that particular time of the day and wit that particular driver. Nothing more.

Even the manufacturers are not even interested, or else they would say something or do something, which they didn't. Porsche posted a time, done. McLaren ran a time, wan't good enough so they didn't post it, done. Ferrari didn't run and have no interest in posting times on track outside of their own test track, they are done too. That's it. Everyone else also moved on except you, who is stuck trying to find a way for the P1 to be the fastest on everywhere and over everything.

Face it, the 918 is faster or just about equal to the P1 on 80% of the tracks on Earth, the P1 is faster on the other 20% or whatever. The P1 will also be faster on certain drag racing condition while the 918 is faster on another condition.

No owners of either car are interested in saying their car is the fastest everywhere in every condition. You are not even an owner so what's your beef? To be THE internet keyboard warrior? Or you just want to make your employer looks good? This is not the way to do it buddy.

No dude, your posts up until now only made you looked like THE sore loser and the most ridiculous and irrational internet poster ever in the history of the internet. And also make McLaren looked like a sort loser in the process.

You have to know that people know you worked for McLaren all around the internet, even when you are not their 'official' voice, you still represent them and people associate you the person with them.

 

Uh did you even read my post? Do you read any of them or just blindly respond with absolute nonsense!?

 

First, Merry christmas or happy holidays to everyone.
Now, this thing is actually still going on for an additional 30 pages!? Wow! I wonder if this thread is still going to be going on when the two god-cars come out?

 

It will still go on until Mycroft accept that the P1 is not the fastest thing on Earth like Ron Dennis claimed and whatever times he can find on the internet are just the performance of the cars at that moment, at that track with whatever driver.

 

Merry Christmas to all!

And yes, the 918 is faster!🎄🎄🎄

 

Right, so when some people describe the Thermal Trofeo R test as the definitive test and in the same breath describe Chris Harris as a shill, can we agree that the g-meter and various track day reports and lap times say the exact opposite. If we can, then fine.

 

Only ever said it was faster on some tracks.

Interestingly though, it's a shame there aren't more tests in Japan on 102 RON to balance out the Cali tests on 91 octane (95 RON). In January a 675LT ran 1:46 there, 2up. Not sure about standard of the driver, but it was 6s faster than a pro in a 991 Turbo S. So decent fuel can make a big difference. I'm honestly surprised these cars even run on 91 octane at 130degF.

 

From talking to James (driver in hypercar 1 videos);

5 test laps to get a time in each car (At the time I didn't think it was responsible to only drive a car for five laps to set a time and then send the results all over social media. However, after talking to my coach in an unrelated conversation to this particular test he told me that any professional driver will only need five laps to set their best time OR they are not a professional driver)

driven at 85%
Customer cars didn't want to crash them in addition to taking it easy because they are street cars

His idea of a real test was Chris Harris (not because of the result) but because he showed the background information (tires, full telemetry, being trained and compared to laferrari test driver).

 

Which just means you have no basic knowledge on modern cars dude.

In case you didn't know, all modern cars have this thing called knock sensor. When the ECU senses premature detonation due to either heat or low octane, it pulls the timing on the engine and keep it running, just with reduced power.

And you also have not much knowledge of fuel rating either. Rest of the World uses RON as the octane number, and North America uses AKI, which is (RON+MON)/2. A 100 octane fuel around the world is roughly 94 AKI in North America. And that's basically the max octane rating manufacturers tuned their cars for. Anything higher won't make a difference as the car makers didn't do a fuel map for higher grade fuel than that. But they do have fuel map for lower grade, like the 91 AKI California fuel, which is basically 95 RON in the rest of the world as you noticed.

Unless a ECU is specifically modified to run higher grade fuel like 100+ AKI octane race fuel, the car won't make anymore power than say 94 AKI. Actually the car would make LESS power using 100+ octane fuel in normal conditions as those fuel resists detonation better and takes more energy to detonate.

But there are scenarios where the 100+ octane fuel will make a difference, say in high heat like places, Thermal in the summer would be a good example. It won't make any more power, more like restoring the performance to normal level.

 

This debate is very tiring on a Christmas weekend, but I would like to make a few remarks:
1) Even F1 drivers need about 10 laps to really learn a circuit; they say so.
2) Harris is a good amateur, not a real pro.

 

Hope everyone had a great Christmas. I've gotten some nicer weather than expected here in Pittsburgh and gotten to drive some of the cars around. Nice present.

 

My comment was not directed at knowing the track but getting to know the car.

With regards to chris Harris ; when Ferrari test driver shows up to set his own time and then Harris showing both of them analyzing his own telemetry it sort of gives his time some credibility . I don't think Ferrari would have given a green light to test/show the laferrari unless they thought he was competent .

It is an interesting debate about the competency of a driver though . Do you want a race driver who hardly tracks street cars or a person who tracks a lot of street cars in addition to race cars (i.e. ; chris Harris , randy pobst)


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