'Official' F12M Rumours and Launch

Dealers make closer to 20% profit margin on cars. Generally, the rule is dealers are allowed between 19-22% max by the manufacturer. I discovered this when my Mercedes dealer charged me $220k for a G63 AMG. I thought it had something to do with the customs in the country where i purchased the car. I pulled a few strings and managed to get the original invoice that the dealer paid to Daimler. Believe it or not, it was $134k. With all the options i special ordered, i should have paid $170k.

I obviously confronted them. They apologized and claimed it was a mistake. Of course they reimbursed me, and i didn't send a letter to Daimler. While i was down at the customs office, i pulled the old invoice for my Scuderia from a few years back. They made 19% profit margin after giving me a 7% discount.

Basically, always ask for a discount when you order a car through the dealer. They add at least 5% in case you ask for a discount. This gives them room to make it seem like they're doing you a solid when they discount your purchase.

 

All new Ferraris I've ordered from dealer have been msrp. Not sure what you mean by extra 5%. It was my understanding that the dealer isn't generally allowed to discount new Ferraris .

 

Hmm...that "extra 5%" is just speculation on my part honestly. What i do know is that after a 7% discount, the dealer made exactly 19% profit on my Scuderia. It may sound like a lot of profit (and it is on these $250k+ cars). But I'm assuming they have a ton of overhead. Most dealerships are in prime locations, and spend a lot of money on events, personnel, etc.

Still never stops me from asking for a discount. Overseas, car doesn't come with a MSRP sticker like the States. Makes me wonder if dealers are given the freedom to price the car/options. Prices are different in every country even within the same region.

 

Agreed, our dealers are confident until the day they're proved wrong!!! Info on this car has been so well protected and I'm just looking forward to the details whatever they are as I'm sure it will be a fantastic car - I find out on February 8th - so will just keep guessing until then unless earlier reviewers give out the data beforehand.

 

Im sure there are connected members on this forum who have already seen the car, or at least pics.

Create an anonymous account and share info! We wont tell...lol

 

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Reworked my last side view to incorporate latest clues from test mules:
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I think your version is nicer than the eventual F12M

 

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If the F12M looks near your version, it will be my next
Perfect drawing, thanks.

 

Thanks.

I think the real thing will be very nice, and will be a quite different "expression" of a GT from the F12.

 

Saying it is a bargain by comparing it to a 550 is like saying a modern PC is a bargain compared to the 1995 desktop because it is a 1000 times more powerful for the same money. We are just enjoying the benefits of progress. Different matter if you are comparing the M to today's rivals.

 

Wow! Just wow. If the real thing is anything like this, I am going to have a very happy 2018.

 

I cannot see the F12M being higher in power then the TDF or lighter. Probably the same horsepower as GT version and not lightweight.

Been too the factory twice now and it was confirmed that Ferrari make their real money (profit) on the extras, options that each owner specs. No real such thing as buying a standard Ferrari.

 

More power, yes, but also carrying more weight, therefore not quicker

 

I have only my F12B since May last year and the first time I have moved from V8's to V12. I fell in love with the F12B. I wanted a TDF but out of my price range and now even higher in values. The F12B is a weapon on and off the circuit and love it. The style and design is lovely too.

I am guessing the F12M will have changes like the 575 did over the 550 of course with new technology. Although they never had a limited light weight 550 or 575 back then accept for the race version for LM etc.

599 was a complete new car from the 575 in every way and then the 599 GTO was amazing just like the TDF. Just unsure where the F12M fits in as complete in model will be released in a few years time.

I did enquire about buying a F12M but been turned down as been all been allocated and only preference owners have the option to buy.

I have always bought second hand Ferraris never brand new so not eligible to buy brand new it seems.

 

I enquired at JCT 600 Leeds, Nottingham Graypaul, Manchester Stratstone.

 

I am also hearing the F12M is sold out in the UK unless Ferrari decides to increase UK allocations which is unlikely.

The price increase % will be key as to how many will actually take delivery when prices are confirmed.

As someone who is waiting for their F12b to be built (March), in a way i kind of hope the F12M is significantly more expensive as it will give me the chance to get into an M after a year or two with minimal financial pain!!

Interesting month or two ahead

 

I am not sure the price increase will be so significant. Ferrari very carefully manages its pricing. One only has to look at the TdF and think that on the basis that it was marginally more than the 599GTO but with much higher demand they could have charged more - they didn't. I believe their strategy is to make their money on the options. Cars used to have roughly 20% additional in options. That has definitely increased and is now closer to 25-30%. Everything is customisable now - for a fee


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So...what's all this I have read on FChat over the years about the USA having a terrible allocation system whereby potential buyers "have to play games and be in favor with dealer," and in UK/Europe you have it much easier...just walk in without a history and order a car?

Guess not.

 

Great render. I think your pretty much right on. The only area I think it will differ is the front. I think the bottom lip will sweep up and the top will not sweep down. It sweeps down now on the F12 and I don't think they'll repeat it. Plus one of the spy pics kind of showed it sweeping up.

 

Excellent drawing, thanks! I agree with you, I also think it will be a different expression of a Ferrari front engine V12, likely a bigger change in look than from 550->575. I can't wait to see the final car. They sure know how to build anticipation!!!