From another Italian Ferrarista. No hybrid on production cars until new modular aluminum platform specifically built for both v8 and v12 hosting hybrid technologies. Can happen for the successor of the f12M or for the successor of 488 / California not for the VS of these. Hybridization with current alu platform would add to much weight and compatibility / installation complexity.
Fantastic work. And the trend line shows just how damaging the 70s-90s was (in general) to sports cars. I agree we are now in a golden age for performance cars.
amazing really lets you see how much power went down and weight went up due to requirements starting in the mid 70s and ending around 2000 when engineering caught back up then surpassed the earlier capabilites ....atleast in the usa... The f12 is a very impressive piece of machinery.. would really like the TDF it is the best of the best .. we maybe at the peak of the current packaging with a switch to hybrid in a few years .. really hope the V12 stays Na..
Good point but not sure what you mean by "factory weight". Getting a consistent weight measure is a tricky, particularly for the older cars. I have tried to get wherever possible: kerb weight = dry weight with standard equipment + fluids including full tank of fuel but no occupants. The F12 for example: kerb weight is 1640kg = 1525kg (dry) + 65kg approx of fuel (92litres) + 50kg of other fluids, which seems to tie in with 1630kg in the F12 manual. No idea how accurate the figures for the older cars are - sometimes the only dry weight was given out in the marketing material.
That's a good little challenge. Should nicely take up some of the time before the F12M previews in 3 weeks!
Maybe we should start a shared Google doc where we enter the different weights quoted? There are a lot of different definitions of "weight" and it's probably better to first collect all of them and then decide later which one to use.
Kudos for the effort and a very nice chart as well, but I am afraid that it is a bit off. The Daytona is indicated to have the same power/weight ratio as the TR. In reality though the TR annihilates the older car (pls open the link below). So either your figures are not comparable (i.e. dry weight vs kerb weight), or Ferrari was less than candid in the old days. http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel505-2757.htm
Cannot compare two cars just based on power/weight ratio. Tire compounds on the Daytona and TR can be vastly different. But this figure gives us some idea on the driving dynamics. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Even if we disregard the tyres and use only the in gear acceleration as a metric (one could argue gear ratios though), the TR is still head and shoulders above the Daytona. Which means that either the figures on that graph are erronous, or Ferrari overplayed the Daytona in this example. Upon further scrutiny, it would seem that Ferrari released an infeasible weight number for the Daytona, 1200 kg dry. The scales though beg to differ. In reality it has almost the same kerb weight as the TR.
Ferrari must have used my scales ... I have a stated weight and my scales have another (more honest) weight
re above They were out on the Daytona weight. Some people have weighed their cars:- RHD 1970 car 1461kg with spare wheel and half a tank of fuel [ plexi car ] LHD USA spec car so quite a bit heavier 1518KG half a tank of fuel http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-driving-machines/536483-what-does-365-gtb-4-daytona-really-weigh.html You only need to search Ferrari chat for the right answer.
Agree - a battle cruiser such as Daytona isn't 1200kg dry. I've found figures of 1600kg with a full tank for the US model. Interestingly, the factory claimed weights didn't always go one way. My 275GTB weighs almost 50lb less than claimed when I measured it - hope they didn't forget to pack a couple of cylinders
"F12M" is the placeholder name. M for "Modificata", or the platform's mid-life update. They likely have the official name picked, though I have not heard. Factory code for F12 was F152; for the TDF it's F152 VS (special version), the new one is F152M
Traveller, don't you think are are likely to qualify the "Daytona" moniker rather than just re-use; for example "F12Daytona" (similar to GTC4Lusso)?
You won't likely see F12 used again. They never reuse the name. Daytona would be nice - the original was never officially badged Daytona. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
