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  1. boralogist

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  2. 71Satisfaction

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    Maybe, but look closely. That's just water swirl. You see water elsewhere on the car. Not very well prepared for a photo shoot.
     
  3. 5000gt

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    Nice result! The Bora is twice the car compared to the 512bb. I drove a 512bbi two weeks ago and what a pile of crap. This was a very low mileage 512 and all original. It felt like I was driving a bumper car on steroid.
    The Bora was built 10 years earlier and it's a far more comfortable car, feel more solid and sophisticated. I wish I had kept my Bora! Just my 2c for the day.
     
  4. boralogist

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    Stand corrected.
    Thanks.

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  5. staatsof

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    Detomaso started with even less when they began their build of one for the company museum back in about 1986. That's the one that now resides in the Panini museum. There was plenty of stuff that didn't look right when I saw it finished back in 94 at the factory. It's hard to find all the exact right stuff. I imagine this car will remain a parts car.
     
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  7. staatsof

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    They have two of them for sale! Hard to determine the mechanical condition but both exteriors look good. One, the red one, is lower mileage but neither are restored cars. The red one is missing it's hubcaps the other has rather unfortunate cheap speaker grills in the doors and has a less tidy engine compartment. Neither has had the engine or engine compartment "restored", refinished properly would be more accurate.

    That's very strong asking money with the black one being far more realistic but then it's a much higher mileage car WO indications of comprehensive mechanical restoration having been done.

    I suspect that they wouldn't sell for those prices at Monterey in a couple of weeks. I hope I'm wrong though ...
     
  8. Countachqv

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    Big price compared to the USA! I know someone who just put his bora for sale for about $220K ask. Has been mechanically inspected and serviced. Euro gears and cosmetically very good if not excellent. I know the car personally. I think it has 20K miles. Car is in FL
     
  9. staatsof

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    That's the same as the second car they have listed which doesn't look bad to be.

    Both cars are listed as 1973 models yet the USA version has a later USA steering wheel on it. My friends USA 73 had the Euro style steering wheel so I wonder when they switched or what the story is with that? That said I've always preferred the later uSA style steering wheel anyway.
     
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  11. boralogist

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    Hello---

    ---Factory Euro Bora @374K is a July, 1972 car, like mine.

    ---That USA steering wheel is by law required on all French Boras, even original Factory Euro French ones. Think of it as our EPA/DOT stuff. When that US car was converted to French specs it had to get that USA steering wheel, even if it didn't come originally with it from the US.
    The 1972 Factory Euro Bora is an Italian car; thus the Euro steering wheel.

    Regards.
     
  12. staatsof

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    It's listed as a USA car ... If they removed the side markers, not hard to do, it would actually look more European than the other one WO it's hubcaps. As you know, mechanically there are no significant differences just some tuning. The USA gearing is actually preferable given today's realistic speed restrictions. I won't get into the 4.7 vs 4.9 debate that one has been beaten to death on here. It's pretty much re-selling brokers way to try and highlight a car as "better". So if you buy into that then fine. I've driven both hard to tell ...

    But the one you suggest is lower milage, it is in nicer shape in some ways but less in others like carpeting based upon internet photos. The black one also needs the lower door panels fixed.

    But $128K better? I don't think so.

    Still you have to drive them to be sure and if one is fantastically sorted and the other has issues then perhaps. Still, the price is at least $100K to high for the USA marketplace so I'd be inclined to drop the valuation on both if the black one has issues.
     
  13. highwaybora

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    Noted re the US configured steering wheel, which my '626 US 4.9 1973 has, and I prefer. Originally delivered to Los Angeles, made for US market, and SoCal ever since.

    The car shown and offered above looks great but has a feature I'd long assumed to have come only later in 1973, not in 1972--namely the hood-vent slot, Pantera-style. Mine is supposedly about a year later model without same, which I prefer. Never a heating issue. Perhaps this was an 'option' that was custom-selectable all along? And perhaps all Meraks had this?

    Oft stated that 4.9s were 275 made total, presumably initially in 1973 for US market, but this 1972 is stated as 4.9 -- so how does that really sort?

    As a kind of cross-ruff, how many 4.9s were RHD, LHD? 4.7s? Were the RHD cars' serial numbers actually odd versus even for LHD? And, given that Bora dashboards were an option in some Meraks, how many of those dash's were LHD, RHD?

    Whew!! There just has to be some access to the entire 'book' other than just asking the factory about one car at a time. If so, PLEASE reveal how to access same!!

    Best regards, and thanks to all, in advance.
    --NE
     
  14. boralogist

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    The Factory Euro 1972 @374K IS a 4.7; '4719 cm3', as stated in ad.

    Regards.
     
  15. highwaybora

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    Oops. Too early in AM, and clearly I didn't keep straight which listing I'd just read. General question(s) should stll make sense?
     
  16. Merak1974

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    According to the Merak registry, 623 Meraks were delivered with the Bora dashboard:

    - 234 RHD cars (all models, all years)
    - 323 US spec SS (1977-1982)
    - 66 Euro spec SS "Tipo 80" (1980-1983)

    Best,
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    Have these figures been confirmed by Sig. Collina at Maserati ?
     
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    The figures are very well aligned with those provided in Marc Sonnery's eminent book "Maserati - the Citroën Years" (2012, Eau Rouge Publishing), and he checked with both Sig. Cozza and Collina.
     
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    Attached is an earlier picture from 2009, when Bora #288 was for sale at Mario Bernardi in Germany. Note the big gap in the chassis number between the "AM 117/" and the "*288*". All Bora experts: was this common on European Boras or is this the space where a "49/" would have indicated that the car was a US car?
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  20. boralogist

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    Interesting question.
    Actually made me walk to the garage and check my 1972 Factory Euro Bora!

    Mine is in the exact same format.
    No worries.

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  24. staatsof

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    It needs some corrections if you want it to be 100% authentic for concours competition but that's mostly small visual things in the engine compartment like the air cleaner and labels. I'm not sure that color in the interior is authentic but it is stunning. Carpeting is also questionable for being original. Are you a tall or long legged guy? Those sumptuous looking think pad versions of the seats rob head and legroom. The flatter pad version is also correct BTW. Needs a tire cover for the spare though I just never carried mine anyway but for shows ...

    More photos would be a great idea.

    Except for the seats and steering wheel this is what original looks like:

    https://www.mecum.com/lots/DA1116-256492/1975-maserati-bora-49/
     

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