Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Cool! After a few days I see you engaged another target here. You loved to pick fights that you can't finish don't you!

If you think the 250/150 wasn't a typo and that I was lying, how come you didn't latch onto the SCD vs Autocar test that I wrote? Shouldn't you be all over that too claiming I was lying again?

Dude, you missed a step haha (Or maybe because it was plain obvious to everyone else that it WAS a typo yet you didn't want to see that)

This is way too fun to watch you struggle to gain credibility which you have none no matter what you post or quote. (Maybe because you have none to begin with?) (or maybe everyone can see your true self?)

 

The Mercedes Project One Hypercar Could Look Like This

The Mercedes Project One Hypercar Could Look Like This

 

Oh God, let's hope it doesn't.

 

The fact is that there are many satellites realty, creating friendships between and passionate people those who live in this, rumored transpiring unofficial or industry details. The world is still made by people and industry gossip is still a little realty. It's quite different to live virtual details or as it appear.

 

You're literally Monty Python's Black Knight at this point, you were beaten the moment you claimed braking from 300kph in 150m, you just haven't accepted it yet.

No dude, the context of the conversation made it very obvious it wasn't a typo. And your typo rate makes it obvious it wasn't a typo too. Some of us weren't born yesterday.

 

Are you still talking about Whoopsy, because as far as I'm concerned that's a dead certainty. As regards Lamborghini, just rumours really, no evidence and the only decent published evidence is Auto Zeitung and Sport Auto.

Factory Laps
918 - 6:57
LP750 - 6:59

Independent Tests
918 - 7:13 (Sport Auto)
LP750 - 7:15 (Auto Zeitung)

So it seem pretty genuine to me and if it is the case that Lamborghini cheated in the factory laps, then a logical assessment/comparison of independent laps would suggest that Porsche did too.

 

And for the same reasons road tests made by magazines or marketing test made by factory are from over 40 years an intricate questions of things involved and overall results often are different than real world. During these last 40 years there has always been more pressure on results by overall the producers and technical details as tires development and electric transmissions/systems, consumption and emissions aspects, had a big role on what it was written on paper.
Every producer has usually inside the factory a develop department that's always been there to improve every single aspect of the car even if the car is still/already in production. The fact is now here if they test cars with their own units, usually these cars are evolved pushing hard in aspects for the reasons above, then numbers may differ from the real. It's not a question of cheating, it's just a overall praxis of any producer. If we compare cars even made in different decades, that's an aspect to add.

 

BTW, Auto Zeitung dyno'd the car they tested - 743ps, so stock engine.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dedethecollector/sets/72157663785386396/

 

Just as I promised,I have attached images of F1 at Tsukuba indicating bad conditions on track.
I am attaching more photos.
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In Tsukuba picture 16&17, the mark made by F1 on road diminishes as it moves,in the onboard video,you should play the video at given time intervalto verify the highlight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4-4C6jSyV4

I have also attached the length from Orelha to Esse by measuring with google map because Max had claimed that I was just guessing the track length of that sector.I have also given in map where sector one,two,three of Autofoco Ends with red marker.Time from orelha to esse is 18.2s and if length is only 495m,average speed in that sector should be 98kph which would be impossible if the corner speeds in that sector were 110kph+.

Even though telling Tanque corner was blocked should have been enough if test was conducted in June/July 1994.

And I had promised him to give photos as proof.So I apologise if anyone is offended.
Note:In some cases I had highlighted the dry part of the track when it was easier to find.
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I never said Lambo cheated at the test.But only said he wasn't lying on the P1 vs 918 test.Also if P1 looses around some track,does it make P1 less special than 918?No.For me P1 looks better than 918.

And I can't understand why are you desperate to prove that SV was stock even though I don't doubt it except some safety precautions.P1 did sub 7 at the ring and averaged more than 111mph,isn't it enough for you when lap time can be easily speculated?Why are so
deliberate to prove that 918 is slow around track?You can't use hearsay about Huracan's time to prove that point.

 

Yeah, it means that engine perform as promised on the dyno in that 'specified' moment. Just that.

 

Wow

 

Regarding the point on photos you posted first I thank you for the effort but we need to do a pair of considerations on the aspects. Few damp patches, how many of them were off/within racing line, on the tires line, or how does posted means to be considered really wet, and/or simply HOW they were able to affect lap time. On the other side we must to be sure how they were really dump or just section drying or just tire smoke / paddock line dedribs, different reflection of the asphalt. The asphalt conditions is a tricky argument looking at a blurred image, in Racing for sure we use a slick tires even if asphalt is not completely dry, really the sounds on corners seems to me the correct one when tires are working on dry corners, no damp sprayed from the tires on track, so it's really difficult to estimate an improvement for these reasons. Lights on track are another question, the reflection could be a combination of twilights with the low nose of the F1, this does not means damp for sure. It's crazy to think over 1.04 instead of 59s cause of that damp.

Concerning Estoril, try to check time figures that comes from on board sequense of the ETCC 1988 event on the older track. There is online a great on board of the Texaco Sierra, if you are able as you say to extract times, for 1.47 per lap, there is about 17 secs to wait for the 3 corners from apex to apex, from Orelha to Esses. If you say 495 meters (to me apex to apex it's more..), we are talking here averaging 104 km/h the three corners with 146 km/h overall per lap. BTW we can close an argument here being with two different opinions, forums are here for that and not just to estabilish how d**k is the longest.

 

What do all these have to do with the LF, the P1, or the 918?

 

Never mind. Much better than Lieven crap, buddy...

 

Oh, the Energizer bunny is making noise again lol.

You are like Rocky, keep getting punched out and yet still crawling back up. Wonderful!

You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe. Like the fact that you wished it was true that it wasn't typo. Feel free to believe that in your little world. But here in the real world no one believed your argument. That's pretty sad really. No matter how hard yo trie to be relevant, it is not working.

Keep trying though, you are a good punching bag hanging in the gym, everyone can come and put in a couple punches every now and then and you will still there and be ever ready to take the next punch. Lovely.

 

Regarding damp patches,I have clearly highlighted it in my 1st,3rd,13,14,15,16 in onboard view,darker part of the track is dry others are moist.

Regarding reflection to deflect your twilight arguement in Photo 6,7,8,9 the car clearly reflects wet part of the track.In photo 9&12 the car does spill some moisture from the track and it can be seen that mark which it leaves behind is fading as it moves.If you insist on it being smoke,you are clearly trying to discredit F1 and make it look very slow.At launch also if it was smoke,shouldn't it be coming from both the tires rather than one and shouldn't it be gray in color.

Now concerning lap time,I only think it to be improved by 5% on dry track considering humidity,track surface and and improvement of 991 GT3 lap at angelssey coastal lap in dry vs similar condition.But I don't agree with BM about 59s lap.

Regarding Estoril,I don't know why you disagree with the track length calculated with Google Map,as the distance is crystal clear.Also on the onboard video,the orelha to esse doesn't take 17 s like you said video from 5:58-6:10 which should be 11.xxs and lap time was only 1:50(4:36-6:26).That is an average of 160kph and is more than average speed of the overall lap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD5nGh35aBw

Time for F1 was clearly given to be 18.2s which is not possible.And also there are only 2 corners between that section.And since I have asked Estoril personally,I am really confident that tanque wasn't available in 1994 but still I have to show others.

And that is the similar observation with the cars I tested on 2:06 lap where it did in 14.xxs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD5nGh35aBw

Note:If anyone disagrees with me quote me and give me the reason.

Also just out of curiosity,aren't you F40 Le Mans?Because the way you two talk seem very similar.

Edit:The tire screeching can be clearly heard on wet track on this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjD34ucfNB8

 

As of now I have only registered in 2 forums;Supercars and Fchat.Do you know what are his names on other forums as I think it would be good to know if I join those in the future.By the way how long had he caused trouble in this forum?

 

Hmm, let's try to cover all of his reincarnations:

1. Fchat - LMFAO (banned);
2. Fchat 2 - Lieven
3. McLife - Mycroft;
4. German Car Fans - Emu (banned);
5. German Car Fans 2 - WBarnes;
6. Fastestlaps - sroser;
7. YouTube - LH;
8. ...

I'm completely sure, that he has an Excel table with all his login details, lol...

 

McF1lm listen,

this is my FIRST, my FIRST time that I'm in a situation like this. God say me it's not true. It's like talk to a wall. To a wall. It's incredible how can be possible you aren't able to get that easy conclusion being details in front of you. YOU ARE MISSING THE DISTANCE FROM APEX TO APEX, FROM OREHLA TO ESSES!!

If you are looking at the telemetry is clearly written, the time of 18.2s was taken from both APEX, look at the CORNER forces. That's nothing to do with Autofoco. NOTHING TO DO WITH MAP IS ADDRESSED!! They stop the time BETWEEN apex of corners.
Looking at Google Earth distance from apex of corners, is not 495 meters, but it's much similar to 605.

Average, will not be 98 km/h, but it will became 119,6 km/h!

Than, if you get the ETCC sequence, this distance will be close in 17 seconds with overall 1.47/1.48 per lap. Average 128 km/h, 145/146 km/h average per lap in race.

PS. F40 is my cousin through mother.

The rest. A question of eye? It will be my last? I hope so.
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That's the question of DH, from left to right as in the altitude map, the SV at 300 km/h is uphill from about 400 meters.
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Firstly,The lateral G on the map and graph do not match up,have you observed it?

Secondly,you don't know what speeds do cars attain on each of these corners,I have attached a Photo from Autofoco's 991 GT3 Test with a lap time of 1:53.7,orelha to esse time was 17.6s.And thats exactly the point where I measured the the distance.The gear used in the map also verifies it.For car like 675LT,I think it can do 1;49 aafter seeing its other lap times.

The map makes it clear that it is at the exist of orelha and braking point before esse other wise 110kph will not be possible.And yeah this is my FIRST time I am dealing with a person who doesn't research and tells the track is dry and make up all those things like twilight,dry,damp when everything is clearly visible,says a down hill is uphill ,etc.

I never went to all this trouble to prove a point,simply posting the video was enough for them to verify.As for estoril simply stating the time was done in 1994 was enough for them to understand.Many people(with commonsense,including BM) agreed that Tsukuba lap wasn't dry(might be drying track),this is the first time I had to go to all this trouble to prove it.

Thirdly,if you are not F40 LM(which I doubt),he agreed with me later and it can't happen suddenly the day or two after he wasn't active that someone suddenly comes and quotes my old posts and argues with similar fashion.And no one else argued about Estoril configuration.Atleast if you don't want to give that impression to people atleast don't post with similar fashion.

And apparently I wasn't the one who started talking about F1,it was someone elses comment which forced me to do so.Also BTCC car lost 2s over F1 at sector 2 but was 2s faster at sector 1 and then suddenly becomes 7s faster at sector 3 which is impossible.Anyway lap time in the video I posted was 1;49.49 (not 46,45,47 etc) its sector times were around 38.20,34.94,36.35 according to my stopwatch timings.

Lastly,no the graph you see in the article isn't done by computer,it was measured manually and then fed into PC.And isn't it logical that they would mark the time at some recognisable point rather than inside the corner.And F1's goodwood time doesn't indicate it is that bad on track even with 1 lap.I have timed it with google stopwatch.
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It was Feb 2015, right after the results of the MT Laguna Seca were known, when FChat was first blessed by the appearance of LMFAO (Lieven). In the very quick hit and run by him, FChat became unrecognizable with utterly ridiculous, insane, and 'WTF' type posts. And then the 'phone went dead', and it was quiet for a while. Coming back as 'Lieven', this dude has basically picked up where he left off. No one, I mean NO ONE, can engage this dude in a rational debate...couldn't do so with LMFAO and certainly not with 'Lieven'.

Have a look back to pages around 780 or so on up. His posts are simply insane. What kind of person needs 'feedback'/interaction with other people on internet forums so desperately as to invest the kind of time and mental resources that he has in all those forums? I get the feeling that immediate, real life, friends and family are not aware of his online behavior--this insatiable appetite for P1 arguments with strangers on the internet...this incredible need to communicate and convince others of his views being fact. Singular and irrefutable fact. It's astonishing stuff.

 

His names are quite interesting though.I mean why would someone name them LMFAO and LH.That alone can give bad impression.