I suspect there will always be a group of people who really love cars and love to drive. The best analogy I can think of is horse riding. It used to be basic transport. Now its more or less confined to areas that can support it but there are still many people who love to own/ and or/ ride horses. My not very much thought out on the value of classics is the split between more mundane cars and the top level cars will get wider. As there will be fewer people in the hobby but those who remain will be able to afford what they want. So greater demand at the top end- bottom falls out of the bottom end. In general I put Ferrari more at the top end. I also think while there will likely be all sorts of ride sharing, etc. I think the people who can afford a Ferrari will likely want to own it and there might be still rural areas where you could drive. So I actually think Ferrari is better positioned than it might seem. A Ferrari is a mostly non rational, emotional decision (though I would argue that indulging your emotions from time to time is a rational thing). All this tech stuff is based on rationality and efficiency. One other point on autonomous driving- get ready to pay more in taxes. In the US at least municipalities collect a solid portion of their revenues from various road fees- speeding, parking, tickets etc. With full autonomous, this revenue stream disappears.
Ferrari is calling the launch the F152M Private Preview. In Europe now and heading to Ferrari Pilota on Ice to drive the new GTC4Lusso just prior to the Feb 2 preview day!
Not exactly; it has got more to do with the mass of the piston and a V12 Ferrari has smaller pistons than the N/A V8s. Still many other variables to consider.
Have fun! I am jealous and would love to hear your thoughts on the GTC4 as well as any on the F12M you are comfortable to share.
As soon as the Tesla Model 3 launches the Germans (VW, BMW, Merc) are in serious trouble. Tesla is already miles ahead on tech and with their vertical integration (battery, solar, cars etc) they are unstoppable. Car companies will have to compete with tech companies (Apple, Google, Amazon etc) and I know who I would back. Mapping and GPS tech are the key to autonomous driving and guess what Apple and Google own that
I think your timeline is massively off. The industry is currently in its infancy and the world is a very big place. This will probably be introduced over the next 10 years or so in a limited capacity (small areas in certain large metropolitan cities). This mass cliff edge type disruption you are referring to where self driving doesn't exist along with car dealers and the like will take at least a generation to implement and something most of us are unlikely to see in our lifetimes (and yes this taking into account that everything is moving 5 times as quick). The amount of capital invested in and by Big Oil and the 'traditional' Auto industry and their respective clout is far too large and should not be taken lightly. The decline will be slow and gradual. Rest assured your next few LE's are safe and can be enjoyed to the max.
Not sure I follow you here. I'm not really talking about a V8 vs. a V12. I'm talking about the issues encountered when enlarging an engine. When you increase the mass of the piston, you have to increase or change the rest of the systems accordingly. All i'm saying is that increasing engine size, does not translate to an increase in power in a linear fashion. As for a V12 using smaller pistons? That is completely relative to the engines being compared. If you put four extra cylinders on a 430 the engine would be roughly 6,45 liter, so about the same as the F12M engine. If you compare the pistons in the 360 to the pistons in the 575, the pistons are larger in the 575. Yes of course the pistons will be larger and heavier in a V8 with the same displacement as a V12, but I can't see where this applies to this debate. But in that case, you have to remember that a V12 may have smaller pistons, but it has four more than the V8, four more rods and a longer crank. So the combined rotating mass of the V12 will most likely be the same, is not more. There are so many factors here. But as I said, in general terms. If you increase a V12 from 5 to 6 liters, the efficiency will go down due to added rotating mass, more reciprocating weight and parasitic loss - and don't forget bore/stroke ratio. Besides that, there are a lot of other factors playing in.
I highly doubt you'll be able to drop out of a F12B order and get the M in 24 months. So buy what you can get now and enjoy it. If the M is enticing enough then get back in line again Time is the most precious resource waiting longer and longer make no sense
Thanks to all for the input!! I don't believe I'll be able to give the F12B back to the dealer for the M. I really think the F12 is for me and your comments really helped. My question now is should I ask for a discount. The dealership is sending me back for the unveiling but any discount off sticker ($390,000) doesn't seem to be in the cards Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Last post off thread I promise, so said the London black cab driver, the guy who fitted horseshoes and the CEO of Kodak
Most probably very true in the USA or in some developped countries but I live in Africa and I can tell you that we will not see autonomous cars here anytime soon! The computer that would understand African logic remains to be developed! [emoji4] Envoyé de mon SM-G800H en utilisant Tapatalk
You can always make more money, you can never make more time.[/QUOTE] So true! Envoyé de mon SM-G800H en utilisant Tapatalk
F12 TdF 1:21,00 F12 B 1:22,40 I believe the TdF time was set by Di Simone on Pirelli PZCorsa 4 tyres, whereas the F12B time was set by Brad Randall on MPSS tyres. If the F12M can run a 1:21,40 on something like the new MPS4S tyre, the times will be super close if the F12M ran as sticky a tyre as the TdF. However these times needs to be taken with a few grains of salt.
Logically the tdf will be quicker, certainly from a marketing perspective and it will only be outdone by the M VS which suggests the F12 replacement in 2020/1 will probably be as quick or quicker than the LF! Crazy. I have a feeling that it will be easier to get a lap time for my level of ability out of the M rather than the tdf but I suspect I know which will make me feel more alive. I see F12b at 1.23 everywhere I look?
An M VS in 2019-20 outrunning the LaF is certainly feasible if past is a guide. The 599GTO released 7 years after the Enzo was almost a second quicker.
A number of dealers are already taking letters of intent, and should be an easy sell given the currently frothy market. Whether it is technically possible to sufficiently differentiate it from the TdF is another question.
What? What dealer accepts a letter of intent on a limited car? It is more likely for the Factory to issue a letter of selection! My bet is £500k and a run of 999.
About right and here is the funny thing - people still don't realise a letter of intent is irrelevant. Indeed almost a firm indication that not eligible ! Good dealers and clients map out a strategy - but even then its hit and miss as other factors come in.
Even on my 70th which is an LE "lite" first I heard was a call from the dealer stone cold saying Italy said sorry re TDF near miss and would I like a 488 70th, and by the way "No thanks is the wrong answer ;-)" It arrives May 😜
That's clear but the accompanying £20k is cheap unsecured financing for the dealer, so some will happily string you along. They are careful to avoid calling it a deposit.
For LE (non-halo) cars, I think the dealers put names forward to FNE/FNA etc and then selected by factory. The 70th was different in that an initial group of clients were given a right of first refusal and the rest then allocated to the dealers in the usual way. Makes sense for the dealer to dangle them in front of those positioning for future LEs.
