Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

LOL. Aside from the fact they're on different days, you're comparing a pro driver in a full racing gear with a data logger against a YouTube timed video of some guy in a T-shirt chatting to his wife.

The only relevant thing to take away from this is that Treynor was right, the 918 can't manage more than 1 lap at full pelt and Whoopsy, Apolo and yourself fibbed yet again.

I also don't have access to add lap times at FL anymore, so you'll have to find someone else.

 

I don't but I pointed out a while back that it wasn't technically a start to finish lap, just between two points and also timed off YouTube, which caused problems in the past. I also wasn't entirely sure whether there were edits part way through, or whether they were just vibrations. I'm happy for the time to stay, not much you can read into the times anyway, one is an SCCA pro fulled kitted out with a datalogger and the other is a guy in a T-shirt chatting to his Mrs with some pretty bad sun glare.

Andrew Aquilante

I now note a clear edit on the lap at 2:53ish, hence my original reason for asking it to be removed but I don't care either way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVkwIQPvEt0&t=170s

The only important thing of note is the comments about the longevity of the EV, which contradicts both Whoopsy and Apolo, and combined with the COTA laps and Alex West's statements about the P1 at Silverstone, shows that the P1 can last twice as many laps as the 918 in HL Mode.

 

Nope,

"The only relevant things to take away are":

1. Nobody knows the starting SOC of the 918 in that video;
2. We have a 918’s driver, who is putting 2.13,60 and from his own description, he is absolutely confident, that his second lap would have been in the 2.12xx range;
3. From the way, he wrote the description, he underlines the possibility to improve his time, rather than bashing the hybrid system, sorry… (look Point 1);
4. On the other hand, we have you who tried once again to promote the P1 with publishing a time of 2,15.00 two months ago or so...
5. Strangely, today you suddenly are in a hurry to remove this time from your beloved fastestlaps.com, haha

So, when it’s fastest for a certain track, you find it appropriate to publish it, but when beaten, it’s no longer valid? Hahah Typical Mycroft/Lieven/Sroser/WBarnes style!!!

P.S. Which nick name is wrong?

 

Today isn’t your lucky day, dude. Why don’t you give a rest?
With the above post, you proved yourself as a complete liar. Do you remember this post of A West, which you even “liked”?

Or maybe this one:

And you dare to seek for other people's typo's??? Jesus!!!

 

1. Elementary my dear Watson. Note lap time of lap prior to hot lap - 5:00. So either he stopped on the grass to to take a call, or it was an out lap straight from the pits, hence fully charged.

Boyko to Whoopsy: "Ego shields are at 95%, captain. Recommend evasive manoeuvers."

2. So? That only makes it worse, that means that part way through the lap the loss in charge was enough to add 2.6s to the time instead of 1.6s.

3. Yeah, the hybrid system that cost him 2.6s on the remainder of the lap. If only he'd had a hyper car with battery that lasts 2 laps.

4. Except I too am prone to mistakes. The timed lap has an edit at 2:53ish.

McLaren P1 laptime at Sebring International Raceway - FastestLaps.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVkwIQPvEt0&t=170s

5. If I was nit-picking I'd ask you to review 0:53 in the Porsche lap and note the short cut config.

http://files.meetup.com/1399253/SebringRaceway-2.jpg[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtXJJEbAGg&t=50s[/url]

But comparing these times is silly. Different day, multiple SCCA champion in full racing gear and datalogger vs fun lap T-shirt, chatting to passenger. Get some sense.

 

I can't believe you guys are still arguing with this guy. It can't be worth it.

 

Yes, but read the first part. "No, not specifically." He doesn't know how long the 918 will last in HL Mode, he's only going by EV mode at minimal power usage. If he'd actually said that the 918 lasts X many laps of Y track that might be relevant.

McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - Page 3 - McLaren Life

But the fact is he says the P1 lasts 2 full laps of Silverstone and we know the P1 lasts 2 full laps of COTA too. Yet we now know the 918 in HL Mode can't manage 2 full laps of Laguna (Treynor) or Sebring (Andrew Aquilante) in HL Mode. So those are the facts I'm afraid. You lose. The P1 is either nearly as fast or faster, depending on the track and lasts twice as many laps.

 

I was sure, that you will fall into the trap, so saved this for the end:

So much for your internet sources , facts and conclusions… Even your Gods (A West) find you as a person, “who has no idea what you’re talking about…”

P.S. Winner, which nick names are wrong???

 

Of course, it doesn't worth it. Just had some time to loose and he is perfect for that purpose...
Now back to work and me personally will try to ignore him as many others here...

 

McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - Page 4 - McLaren Life

So the answer is that he's not taking about HL Mode. He then goes on to say that the P1 will do 2 laps of Silverstone, whereas the LaF will only do one, before a recharge lap is required, and we know it can do two identically fast laps of COTA back to back 2up as well. Meanwhile, the 918 can't do 2 laps of Laguna without slowing down (Treynor statement), and runs out completely after 1.5 laps of Sebring Short (Andrew Aquilante statement).

So the difference is that both Treynor and Andrew Aquilante's statement come from direct experience lapping in HL Mode with data and videos, whereas Alex West is not referring to HL Mode, he is referring to it lasting longer in EV, which I do not disagree with.

So we have lap videos and graphs and two independent statements by drivers backing my position, whereas all there is backing your position are the amazing tales of Whoopsy, which never ever come with any concrete evidence of any kind. Don't you see a problem with that? Is it just coincidence that Treynor and Andrew Aquilante both say that you're wrong? Do you never reconsider your position based on evidence?

I mean FFS, open your eyes, the guy has just spent 5:00 in the pits plus an out-lap recharging, you can see that from the video. Now look at 2:05 and 4:20. He lost a whole 1.9s just between there and the finish line. When it goes, it goes.

165mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtXJJEbAGg&t=120s

148mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtXJJEbAGg&t=255s
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So, now you speak from Andrew Aquilante's name??? Lol
No more questions!

And once again what A West said, from whose name you also try to speak, haha:

 

Awww, don't back out now, I really thought you were making progress.

 

Try including the part that's actually relevant.

McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - Page 4 - McLaren Life

So the answer is that he's not taking about HL Mode. He then goes on to say that the P1 will do 2 laps of Silverstone, whereas the LaF will only do one, before a recharge lap is required, and we know it can do two identically fast laps of COTA back to back 2up as well. Meanwhile, the 918 can't do 2 laps of Laguna without slowing down (Treynor statement), and runs out completely after 1.5 laps of Sebring Short (Andrew Aquilante statement).

So the difference is that both Treynor and Andrew Aquilante's statement come from direct experience lapping in HL Mode with data and videos, whereas Alex West is not referring to HL Mode, he is referring to it lasting longer in EV, which I do not disagree with.

So we have lap videos and graphs and two independent statements by drivers backing my position, whereas all there is backing your position are the amazing tales of Whoopsy, which never ever come with any concrete evidence of any kind. Don't you see a problem with that? Is it just coincidence that Treynor and Andrew Aquilante both say that you're wrong? Do you never reconsider your position based on evidence?

I mean FFS, open your eyes, the guy has just spent 5:00 in the pits plus an out-lap recharging, you can see that from the video. Now look at 2:05 and 4:20. He lost a whole 1.9s just between there and the finish line. When it goes, it goes.

165mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtXJJEbAGg&t=120s

148mph - zinc-carbon battery. 3mph slower slower on straight before T7 too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtXJJEbAGg&t=255s

Now look at 2:05 and 4:20. He lost a whole 1.9s just between there and the finish line. When it goes, it goes.

The 918 is dying 2 minutes and 50 seconds into hot-lapping, the P1 is still going strong after 4 minutes and 40 seconds.

175mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtXJJEbAGg&t=120s

178mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtXJJEbAGg&t=255s
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honestly, believe in whatever you want, and save us from your obsessions and your battles against the windmills

 

Ego shields are at 5%, captain. Recommend evasive manoeuvers.

Facts are facts, take 'em or leave 'em.

 

Geez!

 

Just look at his user name and it says all you need to know.

I pop in here every so often and have read more pages of this non sense than I care to admit. The only thing I can say that I actually took away from all this non-sense is that LIEven twists everything to his liking. I guess he hopes he will wear all of you down. That's the only way he can win this battle he has been fighting for some UNKNOWN reason. He is a fan boi and no one will convince him he is wrong although it has been proven repeatedly.

 

Fact is that if today I didn't find the video of 918 Lapping sebring,you would not have requested to remove P1's lap time.Otherwise if you were to find your mistake,you could have easily done it before.
And what's up with the Sebring short circuit,the configuration in that name does not exist and also faster hairpin turn is used now not slower one.
http://www.racingcircuits.info/north-america/usa/sebring/#.WI90LYThntQ
The cones are put in that route(0:55) to prevent people from using it in the very own video of 991 GT3 you posted at fastestlaps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ9y2pJOfyQ

 

Lol, sensible, coming from you. Man you made the whole forum laugh with that statement.

You describing yourself? Claiming everything that support your twisted world but discrediting everything else the showed contrary.

We are already having a very sensible discussion about cars before you return to this forum with a alternate handle, you got banned in the first place for a reason. It was a clear message to you that us here in this forum does not welcome your trolling and personal attacks. You have shown that you are not capable of holding a civilized rational discussion about cars without resorting to twisting facts and cherry pick statement and then personal attacks.

I am here because I am an owner, Ferraris and other brands, and contributing contents to the forum that all members appreciated. Why are you here? You are here only to troll, and your 'arguments' are so baseless that NO ONE actually agreed with you ever. Does your brain even wonder why no one ever comes to your defence while complete strangers stands on my side?

 

Don't corner him too hard, he already had no where to go and might resort to personal attacks again like last time and got himself banned.

 

Twist what? If boyko wants to believe the driver set off to do some hot laps after a few minutes in the pit lane without charging the battery, then he can take that blue pill all he likes. Not my problem.

 

You're right, I reviewed the lap to see where the 918 was faster. The first time round I just looked at the start time and then jumped 2 minutes to avoid watching the whole thing. But fact remains that there's a clear edit, so the lap time is invalid yes?

Again, you're right, the GT3 RS time is also from the short configuration rather than the full one, so that should also be moved. The short configuration is with hairpin at T7 cut, the long is without it cut.

http://www.gt-racing.co.uk/circuits/northamerica/sebringtrackmap.jpg]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ed/e5/19/ede519b42de99f707f0262cd92584401.jpg

 

I haven't made any personal attacks, I've merely called out a few fibs. Like 300kph braking at 150m marker, 160-80mph in 80m and now you've also been proven wrong on the longevity of HL Mode. That's right it lasts exactly 1 lap, just as Treynor, the guy YOU called a liar, said. Well now there's another guy claiming it with video telemetry to prove it.

So I actually think you owe the likes of Treynor an apology for calling him a liar, given that it's now been proven that he was telling the truth.

You're the only one twisting and cherry picking, the evidence speaks for itself.

 

So Whoopsy, how many laps does the 918 last in HL Mode again?

Is it?

a) 2
b) 3
c) 4
d) None of the above, my nose just took out the monitor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtXJJEbAGg

 

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My point was that slower chicane wasn't used after 1998.The route was blocked with cones.The circuit which you refer to as international was the international circuit in the 1997-1998 not present one.The changes made lap times faster by 2s.

In the P1 video the video is not clear so the time can't be claimed to be on larger route.I myself timed the 918 video so no there is no edit in the timer and the video was looking at normal speed.