'Official' F12M Rumours and Launch

Where is the beating a dead horse smiley when you need it.
It's already been posted that the downshifts and upshifts are substantially faster than the F12. This is impossible with a manual unless Ferrari is shifting humans to a different dimension

 

Honestly, I too considered this for a millisecond. Or maybe less.

 

Very interesting - was there any info on weight?
Thanks

 

Maybe the gearbox is able to engage both gear banks and now features 12 virtual gear dimensions :lol:

Just kidding.

 

It's interesting that dealers have said to me wow after the viewing, but I do not sense the same reaction from customers . Wrong ? I am there next week , I guess with other UK people. Has the matt grey got a name yet ?

 

Buckblu is puzzled as well
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQCviTKhgt7/
"Umm, so what/when/where are dimensions 5-11?"

 

I think that's a good point. I am still not really any better informed on the aesthetics than prior to the recent customer previews, thanks in part to Ingenieres great work. I still ask the question of how this new car compares to its two sisters in aesthetic terms and which one of the three would you want in your garage all things being equal?

I am also totally confused by the shift to the 12th dimension line.......

I'm even more frustrated I cannot get there to see for myself.

 

12th dimension is interesting too...very spiritual The 12 dimensions of creation. Well as they managed to call the last super car La Ferrari maybe this will be called La 12

 

Seeing how fast and responsive these cars have become - I hope not. As Chris Harris said with the TdF, that car would be worse with a manual - and he probably drives better than most here.

 

PF hasn't been working with Ferrari since the F12B.

 

Dry weight is no more than the B, which is consistent with the performance figures which are on par with TdF (<3s 0-100, <8s 0-200), and extra hp.

 

It was explained as a point of differentiation of the V12. If that's all there is, then it tells you how Ferrari views its main competition today (Mac doesn't have a 12 but Lambo does). There is clearly a focus in Maranello on the former given the need to grow volumes requires a highly competitive 488 successor.

 

Thanks for that. With the P14 launch, from everything I hear, Ferrrai are going to have their work cut out. In fact they are under attack from all sides. Remember when the Enzo was THE car, well now the LF seems to have almost had its day along with the P1 and 918 with the new Super Hyper cars to trounce them, and is there an answer from Maranello? Last I heard was that there would be no new Halo LE car for 5 years as technology had not advanced enough. Red Bull and Mercedes seem to disagree.

They were top dog but the market, which they effectively created, is becoming more demanding and more competitive.

 

I think it's premature to say LF "had its day". It's so rare you hardly see them - but having sat in one I can say it phenomenal. The market has gone crazy at the very top end - Merc HyperCar and AM-RB but these cars are halo cars for those brands and don't really produce any profit. Ferrari is a business and now a very public one with waiting lists for almost all its cars. An enviable position to be in.

For all the formidable stats of the P14, Mac is worse than Porsche producing 4 models that all look the same, have practically the same doors, chassis and engine. Ferrari is a proper segmented and differentiated range and frankly Mac do not have the financial resources to do that.

I think Maranello will rise to the challenge. Competition improves the breed.


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largely agree though the f12 is already stupidly fast imo, not sure the f12m does enough for me on paper - will have to wait to drive one and see.

 

Please note I did not say the LF had had its day. I said "almost" and that in reference to the speed of technological advancement. I can assure you Mercedes and AM are doing this for the same reason Ferrari do their Halo range and that is to sprinkle fairy dust on the rest of their range AND very much to make money.

As to Mac, I do agree and their residuals speak for themselves.

 

For people like me who since a kid have admired the beauty, sound and performance of Ferrari road cars we can't even imagine any Halo Ferrari without an aspirated V12 engine. The Ferrari V12 aspirated engine has confirmed through the years it's overall superiority against others in almost every parameter and even the non purists accept that as a fact. If we lived in a normal world the evolution of Ferrari V12 engines would have followed the naturall path of improving always for more power and lower emission levels however, principally due to some european bureaucrats who have started the trend, te pole of future admissible emission values was put at such a high level that a V12 aspirated engine and others can't possibly achieve them anymore on their own. That's in essence the only reason why we see today Ferrari turbo and hybrid engines but even if everyone try to convince us that's the future and an irreversible fashion, we have the right to refuse to wear it.

 

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I wish ferrrari had done a rear engine V12 GT car, replacement of the true supercar the Tessa.

F12B, F12M. F12TDF - Splitting hairs on performance to be honest. F12M has higher torque valve it seems. Is the F12M gearbox same as the TDF?

 

Porsche themselves recently said they could make no more than small improvements to the 918. Not enough to justify a new car. We haven't seen Mercedes and AMRB's cars yet to know if they're significantly better than the current crop of hybrid hypercars. They could just be hype and ambition with less substance. The battery management system is very difficult with these cars. We first saw the Regera years ago and koenigsegg has been pretty silent since. If the AMRB and Mercedes Project 1 don't blow the current hybrid hypercars away then it shows how amazing they truly are and they will hold value. Plus, the current super cars are already too fast for the road. The hybrids are mind alteringly quick. We are well into the law of diminishing returns as far as performance goes. Feel, quality, ergonomics, intangibles will sell me (and many others) now. Performance numbers are for teens.

 

Well , mc are accelerating very fast in production and market, but, despite making actually faster v8 cars, I think, IMO, that is pure non sense tu buy their cars if 2 years later there is a pretty equal vehicle that destroys performances of the previous model, come on! They seems Ferrari wannabe little girls fighting for who is the highschool ball queen. 488 has not 2 years, Ferrari cannot throw away new model every just to follow Mclaren, otherwise everybody should just refuse the normal v8 and buy only the VS of it. Sure, maybe Ferari isn't the fastest anymore in the supercar league, but they are different enough with the respect to these new parvenues that come with copy paste chassis and nissan/Ricardo tuned engine, with all respect, this is Ferrarichat, if people likes mac more, plenty of other forums. Ferrari isn't just stats and specs. Same with AM and M Benz, that instead of behaving as wild dogs biting the old moose, should be less arrogant and respectful of brands that created the super cars market. Today only few brands, as Koenigsegg, Pagani and Maybe Lamborghini, are respectful, Porsche sometimes, but Mc and Ford (in race competition), are really proving to be obsessioned by defeating and humiliating the opponents, in a really bad way, without fair play.

 

The M torque curve is shifted to the right and is peakier compared to the B. The 80% torque threshold is now 3500rpm rather than 2500rpm for the B/TdF. IIRC the M is 537 lb ft vs 509 for the B.

No word on the ratios unless someone here knows better, but I would expect revised gearing to account for the shifted torque curve.

 

Or maybe a smaller diameter tyre like they did on the Lusso compared to the FF.

 

To me what Ferrari really needs to do is make the next gen V12 all wheel drive . Look at Porsche as an example or even Lambo the all wheel drive really gets the power to the ground. I love the front engine GT just with 700or more hp all wheel drive in a lighter weight package( if possible) would be great.