Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

So what's your lie count now then?

Quick Tally:

1) Braking from 300kph at 150m marker on Portimao.

2) 160-80mph in 80m.

3) HL Mode lasts forever.

4) That you didn't say A West's 918 comments referred to on-track.

This is only the stuff that can actually be proven. Is there actually anything you've ever said that's true?

 

Laguna Seca data comes from graphs provided by someone who was there. This data was confirmed by performance at Sebring - video and Andrew Aquilante's comments.

Pre-production 918. Lasted 6 minutes before charge was completely gone, but may have slowed well before that point. Pre-production 918 was 4-5mph slower on every straight at Laguna, hence lower EV discharge rate. Like I said, Sport Auto tested the pre-prod HL Mode against the P1 at Hockenheim, no lap times were released, then 918 suddenly got faster but its battery never lasted as long.

Yes, engineers do look at all the data... rather than just 1 'ring lap performed by a pre-production model.

 

'Weight handicap' were his own words, not chosen by me at all.

Have I deliberately lied about anything so far? Has pretty much every I've said been backed up with data?

 

Wow,the thread has become a flame war now.Personal attacks could start any moment or perhaps it has already started as some members pointed out.Some pop corns please.

 

LOL. The same people are arguing over this for 3-4 years now, day after day. Imagine how much time of your life has been wasted. Impressive.

 

Whoa! You two still come back to this thread?

 

It was a good thread until Lieven showed up a few months ago. It's ruined for certain.

 

Engineers are suppose to look at data, but I would think that most engineers wouldn't make a conclusion from isolated ENTERTAINMENT videos that have no standardized testing protocol. Furthermore, its ridiculous to make assumptions about a complex integrated drivetrain that I doubt you have any briefing from Porsche Motorsports on its operation or recent updates. I'm sure an owner gets better updates from the factory than a non owner. I think the only substantive thing I can say you have expressed is that you are a McLaren fanboy with multiple usernames for trolling purposes.

 

Has this been posted already?

 

So more stuff you put in my mouth now?

Buddy, do you want to edit this post first and remove your lies? Or you want me to do it?

1) everyone on earth but you know it was a typo.

2) I didn't say that

3) HL mode do last forever for most people, not many in the world can drain the battery in HL completely

4) A West never said on track, as he hasn't driven it on track yet. Nice try though.

So pretty good, you went 4 for 4 for twisting words and selected cut and paste and using alternate facts.

Yet again you have proved yourself to the whole internet that you can't be trusted. It doesn't matter what you will post, no one will ever believe you, you might as well stop before exhausting yourself.

 

He did that last time, that's why his previous handle LMFAO got banned.

 

And he didn't say 'weight handicap' in the same sentence and context with track driving. As he hasn't put it on the track yet.

It's ok, we all know you have selective attention and selective comprehension, you only read what you want to see and cherry pick stuff more multiple posts and take them out of context to create your version of 'data'.

I did exactly what you do on posts and created this:

 

Exactly why he is so entertaining haha. It's comical on how he selectively pick up data from multiple sets and use them together as if they are one and created a parallel universe version, which he uses as his 'proof'.

 

1) Yeah, sure.

2) You're right on that, it was another 918 owner trying to support your typo. But I'm sure that was just another coincidental typo, it's very easy to hit '8' instead of '1' and '5'.

3) I just see wriggling here.

4) No but you made out that he was talking about on track and then switched your story after I pointed out his final post.

 

Perhaps it's true he hasn't tracked it yet but his exact words were in relation to track driving. So once again I didn't put words in anyone's mouth or make anything up.

McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - Page 4 - McLaren Life

And yes he said the 918 was a very good road car, and I don't disagree.

 

1) keep it up, and you will still be the only one

2) just typical you, you like putting words in someone's mouth

3) it certainly last forever for me when I was on track with mine. Have you tried it on track? Oh wait, you have never drove one and hence had absolutely zero experience! Haha

4) I never made out anything, I just kept on pointing out that you keep putting words in his mouth, as he never said anything about track and 918. You are the one that spoke for him that he didn't like it on the track. And his last post also invalidate your 'claim'.

All these are to be expected from you Mycroft/Lieven/LMFAO. This is your M.O. after all.

It doesn't matter if you uses difference handles across all forums, you are the one and only that act this way, twisting words, twisting facts, omitting facts, cherry picking quotes, etc. We can smell you from a mile away.

I will give you a coulee weeks of digging before your grave is deep enough to come out on the other side of the earth. You know, it's really hard to talk to you now, you are so far down it's hard to hear clearly what you are saying. But then again that's no different than if you are standing right in front anyway, no one can communicate with you as you are preoccupied with your own dream world.

 

Im not trying to start an additional debate with mycroft, but whoopsy, do you know exactly or even a rough estimate of what the current 918 could do around the ring? If its close to 6:30, then iirc, wasnt that around the time GT3/GTE cars usually get with just the ring only?

 

There's no way anyone can give you that kind of information. Any guess would be conjecture.

 

Well a while ago he did say the 918 was 10 seconds faster in its current state, and thats not including trofeos. Then he also said the old ring 918 could have gone faster, still. So I'm just trying to figure out if those two are separate, or together.

 

But you have to understand that the Ring times have as much to do with the luck/skill/huavos of the driver as much as the car. Some driver may be able to run a perfect lap and cut 10 seconds off the time with the exact same car. So trying to state that some improvements to a car will cut x amount of time off a n ring lap time is erroneous right from the start. Best to just look at a time and say, ok, that car is really fast. Worrying about the exact time is worthless.

 

It will not be that big a jump. Only McLaren people like Mycroft/LMFAO/Lieven claimed stuff like that out of thin air.

For the 6:57 run with the prototype, there's a few seconds to be had had they really tried. You can see in the lap video that Lieb wasn't even busy with the steering wheel, the car is under controlled for the whole time and he is not searching for grip mid corners. The rough estimate from the crew is that perhaps around 10 seconds can be had if they go 100%. That puts it right at 6:47, which is the best section time of the P1. But that also means driving at the absolute limit of the car which will be exponentially more dangerous.

A current updated car with Trofeo R will be faster than the prototype that's for sure, how much? No one really knows at the Ring.

But does it matter? The 918 will forever be the first proper production car to break 7 mins. That will stand forever, just like Neil Armstrong is the first man on the moon. The P1 tried and failed to beat the 918, sort of like Apollo 13.

Remember, the Ring has been reconfig already, it's faster now, so the record WILL fall to someone.

 

No I never say the current car is 10 seconds faster than the prototype. I had always said according to the team the prototype car that did 6:57 could have done 6:47.

I am not Mycroft/LMFAO/Lieven who changes his story based on the current objective. Or cherry pick words from different things then merged them together to form one flawed argument.

 

The Ring is around 3s faster in today's configuration. At least...
And I don't see a company like Porsche to risk the life of their top dogs for lemans, just for bragging rights...

 

It's was said by Wtdoom, who is another respectable owner... MT proved it later on with two consecutive tests in two years time.

 

1) Sadly for you I wasn't born yesterday. Given the context, and the post you were replying to and the fact it was the only digit you got wrong (coincidence), it's very clear that it was not a typo.

2) Same brand of BS, easily confused. The only difference is that he didn't lie twice by claiming a typo.

3) Seen enough evidence to know that you're wrong, unless you drive at recharging lap pace all the time of course.

4) I've provided several links to you making out that he was saying the 918 lasted longer on track.

I haven't been the one making ridiculous claims and then papering over the huge cracks with claims of typos, outright denial and attempts to twist the original claims. Some fanboys will still nut-swing all day, but to the unbiased your fact-making fraud has been very clear.