Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

My prediction is that in HL Mode, the current 918's battery would be dead before it got half-way round. Just look at Andrew Aquilante's Sebring laps, noting speed on main straight - 165mph lap 1, 148mph lap 2.

The production 918 is definitely faster for 2 minutes, but I doubt it would be faster, or even as fast over 7 minutes based on the available data.

 

Still with that sector time crap. Lie number 5, lucky for you that no proof is available this time.

If there was that much pace spare in the 918, how come Sport Auto only ran 7:13?

Apollo 13, isn't it the 918 that dies half-way from a lap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtXJJEbAGg

Never mind, all you need is a group of skilled astronauts to cobble together a quick fix in the middle of the second lap and you're good.

 

Yes it was 1s faster with MT around Laguna for 1 lap, but pace dropped by 0.9s on lap 2 and 1.5s on lap 3. This result was duplicated at Sebring - driver on the way to a faster second lap (1s faster estimate) but ran out of hybrid assist and ended up 1.6s slower.

I don't see that endurance issue playing out well over a 7 minute lap.

 

Much like whoopsy and boyko mentioned below, it seems that the 918 could have gone faster, but porsche would have to be reckless to risk their best driver for something like the ring.

Ok. Thanks for clarifying the version. I was trying to figure out which one is was.

Ok, so it was doomy that said it. Thanks.

Hehehe, it seems i may have accidently started something else. But regardless, the cars only need one lap to prove themselves. So it wouldn't matter if the car could go all-out for one lap then recharge on the next. IIRC, during the recent lemans battle of 2015, P and A were going at each others' throat, but P had the advantage of having a bigger battery-electric-power-dump as opposed to A. So it was able to squirt between corners, dump its battery doing so, then recharge and dump it again on the next straight. P was maybe six or seven car lengths behind, and it caught up and passed A.

https://youtu.be/clZOMYjaGt8

https://youtu.be/-b-wu3cVjeI

 

Lol, the Energizer bunny of lies on the internet is still going strong! You just keep going and going and going and going.

1) Repeating something a million times doesn't make it truth. So all you efforts are just wasted. No matter what you do you really can't discredit me, no one believes anything you said and will say. You have zero creditability. That's why no one thinks my mistake wasn't a typo.

2) See 1. No one believes you ever.

3) You mean you have seen youtube videos vs actually driving one on track?

4) I have a 918, Alex have a 918, we both drive them and have 1st hand experiences. What about you? I never put words in Alex's mouth, I had always pointed out the fact that you always take things out of context in quotes. Cause that's the only way you can fit stuff into your twisted world.

 

So you current 'God' is Andrew Aquilante now? What happened to Alex West?

Oh wait, you don't like him anymore cause he embarrassed you publicly in McLarenLife and disproved everything you claimed. Ooops.

Btw, where is the P1 in that video? Did the P1 ran out of juice after the pit straight?

I thought you only accept results that ran on the same day with the same driver. So why are you comparing 2 different cars on 2 different tracks driven by 2 different drivers on 2 different days? Oh and different tires too.

And you called that valid comparison? Hmm

Guess you moved the goal post again to fit your twisted world.

LOL

 

I think this guy knows what he is talking about! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

That's what I'm saying, the post production 918 wouldn't make one lap of the 'ring in HL Mode, or even close. At Sebring is was losing pace after 2 minutes and dead after 3 minutes.

 

Where have I lied?

1) You should bear that in mind. Typo Man.

2) They don't need to believe me, there's a video to prove it and two other hypercar drivers saying it, one of which drove a 918 on track and another of which attended a track test.

3) See 2. The person driving the 918 on track said it, I only relayed it.

4) So why did you originally try apply his 918 comments to a discussion about endurance in HL Mode on track?

 

Nothing, I just mentioned that his 918 comments pertained to road driving and EV range, not track driving like Aquilante's, which initially you didn't accept.

Err, I've been talking about HL Mode on track, Alex's 918 comments did not address this as you finally agreed here, despite initially arguing that it did.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145198124-post21321.html

So how does it disprove, or even cover anything I've said?

2 consecutive hot laps on COTA and Silverstone without reduced performance is still twice as many as the LaF and 918 can do, even if it did.

Erm, battery performance is battery performance, and as I mentioned earlier, COTA and Sebring are the same length and is there is less non-WOT time on COTA, so the comparison is valid.

Sebring - 80s/133s braking or part throttle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGtXJJEbAGg

COTA - 77s/137s braking or part throttle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idV6zMiWUIU

Aside from that, there's still the small matter of Ben Sloss's Laguna graphs, which were same day, same driver, same track.

Funny how both these occurrences agree with me, and none agree with you. How strange. Maybe the data is a typo too huh? Maybe that 148mph on the second lap at Sebring was actually a 248mph, because the VBOX has troll thumbs too.

 

If I was wrong, surely someone would be able to prove as much with data, instead we have two 918 owners making ridiculous claims about braking performance and then claiming a typo. Or claiming that I'm cherry picking facts when I'm using the only two post production data sets available for 918 HL Mode battery endurance, both independent, from two different testers.

Can't see how I've twisted anything sorry, but there certainly are a couple who've been caught spinning BS.

 

You can't compare battery performances,lateral g's,braking force on different tracks even if they have similar length and similar time.

Because they have different speeds in different corners and the speed time graph will not match.

Speaking of lie,didn't someone claimed that Alexander West lapped 10+s faster than Chris Harris at Anglessey.And it wouldn't have been corrected if someone didn't pointed out to that guy.Given the context,it wasn't an honest mistake as if someone didn't pointed it out,it would have remained uncorrected.

Speaking of bias didn't someone wanted to remove P1's time after I found the 918's video.Then claiming video was edited.If that was the case,he could have noticed it earlier before I found the video.

Speaking of P1 vs 918,P1 clearly needs Trofeos to lap faster around most tracks.At ring I don't doubt that P1 had done sub seven because average speed was clearly given.

Anyway you two continue to argue,it's fun to read with pop corns at the side.

 

Im pretty sure it could. There are loads of half throttle corners, hard and soft braking points where it could recoup that energy.

 

What matters wrt battery endurance is:

a) Time at WOT; and

b) Time not at WOT.

COTA has less time not at wide open throttle and more time at WOT.

That was a mistake, not a lie. Here is the video in question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpfEG3meAU0

Note that the video was posted by Alexander West and the time is also claimed by him in the video. Video replay software got the better of him and at a quick glance it looked legit, though obviously the time is ridiculous. It was also me who pointed it out to him.

I don't have time to watch lap videos in full, so if I know a lap lasts 2:XX, I skip forwards 2 minutes after the start. Usually not a problem unless someone has edited the video. I noticed it because I went to see where each car was faster/slower after the 918 video came up. Both a matter of bad video making by others, rather than my honesty. If a lap time is obviously incorrect then of course it should be removed, where's the problem/bias? Would you rather an incorrect lap time be left in place?

That is in no way the same as claims of braking from 300kph downhill into T1 at Portimao from the 150m marker, or 160-80mph in 80m, or claiming HL Mode pace lasts 'forever'. Or reversing your position on someone else's statement after using that position for 3 pages and then claiming someone else was wrong instead of you.

'Most tracks' is a broad statement considering the very limited number of tracks they've both ran on. Clearly at Portimao, the P1 did not need Trofeo Rs and that would likely be the case at most F1 GP style tracks too. One lap is also a little bit limiting for anyone who wants to use them on track days. I'd rather be able to run more laps than be a few tenths faster for one lap.

 

And way more time at wide open throttle. Look at the average speed on the 'ring vs any other track. Higher than even Monza, never mind Sebring. Huge amount of time at WOT.

Laguna = 89.5mph
Sebring = 99.5mph
Nordschleife = 113mph

No way can the post-prod version do a full lap of the 'ring in HL without performance loss. Jeez, it can't even do 2 laps of Laguna or Sebring. And if we were to look at laps lasting over 2:30 vs other cars, the 918 has not exactly been staggering. Nordschleife (~7 mins), only 2s faster than SV, slower than Performante. Balocco (2mins40s), slower than Huracan. Are the observations at Sebring and Laguna on lap 2 together with these longer lap times really just inconsistencies/coincidences, all 4 of them? Are all 4 of them cherry-picked, or twisted? I think not.

 

You remind me of my brother, he is never wrong either. He can twist and turn any conversation to suit him no matter how wrong he is. No sweat off my back. I could care less about a group of cars that I can't afford. Who cares if one is faster at X track and if one is faster in the 1/4 mile. It's irrelevant to 90% of the worlds population.

 

99.9% of the worlds population.

 

Did the Huracan performante time at the Nordschleife get run on the updated track or the same track conditions the 918 set the record 6:57 time?

 

Wrong already. One also need to look at the recharge rate. The battery is not a set amount with only a finite charge. It is a medium that's constantly getting discharged and recharged.

You only just want to simplified everything down to a simple equation of dividing the battery capacity with the maximum discharge rate. Think everyone on Earth knows it's not that simple.

Except you.

You inexperienced on hybrid cars shows. Again.

So did you timed it? I know you LOVED watching youtube and have no life, so you must have record that data already! Or you are trying to use 'alternate facts' again?

Btw, if you want to compare, please remember no 2 drivers drive the same even on the same circuit, so you can't use 2 different drivers' foot time on WOT as your data points. Also you will need to find the same driver driving Sebring too with whatever you want to compare with. Preferable on the same day, same track conditions too.

Oh one more thing, did the cars start off with a full charge in the battery?

Oh REALLY?!?!?! a MISTAKE now? Hmm. Does anyone else think he made a mistake? Or does everyone thinks he is trying to use 'alternate facts' and twisting words? I think we all know the answer to that.

Well, it seems you are the only person on Earth that think I deliberately post a wrong number and get caught by you. Everyone else thinks and knows it's a typo. People have lifes to live, things to do, and sleeps. We don't act like you and stay ready and keep refreshing forum pages just to post something or correct something. Nice try though to try and paint me that way. Too bad no one buy your theory. You ever wondered why? Cause you only fantasize stuff, twisting people words, cherry pick words left and right across posts, listen to and read about 3rd hand stuff to 'support' your dream world. I on the other lived a real life with the real cars and have first hand experiences. As long as the sun continue to rise from the East, no one will ever believe a single word you say or type.

Cherry picking tracks again?

The Grand Tour certainly paints a very different picture at Portimao. Race mode in the 918 is about 3 seconds slower at the Ring than Hot Lap mode, what does that translate to at Portimao? Still quick enough to be faster than a P1 as it was like a 1 second behind the other 2.


Seriously, why don't you just set the proper track to be the Nardo test track, the big 'oval' one. I am pretty sure the P1 will destroy the 918 there. But don't go too long a session, cause the P1 will certainly ran out of fuel before the 918 and be stranded somewhere on track.

 

Huracan run is recent, the new faster track.

 

Im partly like your brother as well, except I'm never wrong because i set up my arguments perfectly and only speak when I'm certain I'm right.

Id say 99% of the autodom cared, but now we already know the pecking order, and its 918, P1 or Laf depending on track and driver, and even those are within tenths of each other. Now, i dont think anyone really cares about those old dogs anymore. Now its all about the upcoming god car duo.

I swear man, you're either masochistic or sadistic to keep putting up with this. I would've given up a long time ago.

 

It seems the P1 just can't catch a break. Another report from RL: I was at the event and heard the same from the home team. Faster than P1 and 918 (way too heavy). They'll never go into writing on it as they want to protect the P1 but the comparison tests will eventually out it. Time to open your mind...

 

Not sure I totally understand your last post.

 

Are you referencing me? If so, then do you mean this post: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145201500-post21354.html

This one: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145202774-post21371.html

Or this one: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145202992-post21372.html

 

Your literal last post.