Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

The 91RS has massive lateral grip. The one thing it lacks is Torque. The 2RS should sort this.

 

Lol,
he even can't read the data right - 1,29 was the ideal lap for the 918, not P1...

 

I agree that the GT2 RS will be tough competition. 285/345 section tyres are the rumours I'm hearing, which gives it a significant tyre advantage, and if like the 997 GT2 RS, the weight should come in around 1400kg. Power level looks like being 650hp. So should be tight on track but 720S probably takes it on the straightaway.

 

Not according to Ben Sloss. That isn't the full lap data, only a partial set from the main hot lapping session.

P1 vs 918 - Page 16 - McLaren Life

P1 vs 918 - Page 17 - McLaren Life

So, these laps you see are just what a tester achieves in one lap with limited time. And the TCS/ABS has been massively updated since that test anyway.

 

That's an easy one. P1 recharges from engine, 918 recharges from brakes too. Therefore if ICE isn't on, P1 can't recharge, whereas 918 can, thus explaining the fundamental difference in all EV range observations vs on-track battery endurance. There may well also be cooling issues wrt the battery when the ICE isn't driving cooling systems. In theory, with no ICE, [4.7kWh/135kW]*3600 = 125s, but with no driven cooling, it's likely the ICE will kick in to prevent overheating.

 

This is the point I and others are making, what should work in theory does not always pan out in practice. The 918 has much larger Batt than the P1. In E mode the P1 is a straight drain zero re-gen, Whilst the 918 does have brake re-gen its very little up the Hill at Goodwood. I can pull on to motorway in my 918 and sit at a constant 90mph for around 15 miles, don't touch the brakes so no re-gen. The P1 will not last a Klm under same conditions.

 

Yes, in EV mode that much is true, but when you run with ICE in race mode, the battery is constantly being recharged from the engine during braking and cornering and powering cooling systems, which is completely different. The only real detriment vs brake regen is that it uses more fuel to recharge this way, which is probably why brake regen is helpful in endurance racing where there's a minimum weight restriction anyway, but for track days it makes no difference except adding weight.

This is theory agreeing with practice as far as I can see.

There's also the matter on where the manufacturer draws the line wrt minimum battery capacity and/or maximum temperature. After the test at Thermal Long, the 918 had damaged its battery and had to be taken to the garage, whereas the P1 protected itself by going into limp mode, so the 918 limits are probably drawn less conservatively.

 

He doesn't live in the real world that's why. Everything he assume are only on paper stuff.

His estimates only based on peak current draw, but he has no idea how long a car runs on peak current draw.

A P1 may run on peak draw all the time but not the 918.

Hell I can do 15 km on pure electric alone on the highway without braking, with headlights, wipers and electric heater on.

 

Wow, a whole page of BS to reply? You sank to a new low.

What I had mentioned is not on MLife or anywhere else yet

Someone else here have the originals, maybe he will post it to expose you, maybe not. I have no control.

Btw, did you not know a 918 can recharge it's battery under 5 mins from empty to full while moving? Basically means the battery can be topped off on the out lap, and then again on the in lap in a track day session. Can a P1 do that?

 

No he read it right, but as usual he twisted facts to fit his argument. What else do you expect from him?

 

I'm going entirely from what Ben said. If you have a problem with it, take it up with him. I can't see why I'm being accused of twisting facts for directly quoting people.

 

Actually, it just hit me: You seem to have never mentioned the Laf. Why? You're always attacking the 918 for bland reasons that dont really matter during a showcase event. While the P1 gets the easy slide, and the laf sips his espresso, the 918 gets hounded for built-in reasons. Theres one small detail you may not have factored in about the 918, that is that well connected owners who are highly enthusiastic about the engineering aspect of the car, would be privy to certain detail about the car that would probably never, or rarely be posted in an article.

 

Does the 918 instrumentation panel show how much battery power is left, and if so, how accurate it is? It would be fascinating to see on video how quickly the battery recharges from brake regen only (ie. hot lap mode) under hard braking that you would experience on a track.

 

I quote things mentioned by people who own two or all of the hypercars, some of which drive in the GT Open. So I'd imagine they'd be privy to the aforementioned information as well as having direct experience, and being familiar with the car. A combination which you won't get in any magazine track test. Sure magazines may have good drivers but not with the same level of familiarity and track experience with those specific cars. Aside from that I use data that can be gleaned from videos and elsewhere. And all of the above seems aligned on this issue. That is to say that the 918 runs out of battery the quickest in HL Mode, LaF roughly the same and the P1 lasts at least twice as long. People also mention weight being a handicap on track days for the 918. This is borne out in lap data provided by owners, comments by drivers/owners, general observations and theory. So call it a coincidence that all of the above agrees, but that's how it seems.

You can read the links in this post and tell me if you think I'm twisting anything.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145203534-post21390.html

Also add this to the above:

McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - McLaren Life

Isn't that basically all I say?

And on the subject of Trofeos vs Cup 2s.

McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - Page 2 - McLaren Life

I tend to take the input of two semi-pro drivers who own all the cars more seriously than magazine tests and a randomer on the net who owns but one of the cars, isn't pro level and has fibbed multiple times.

 

It can be shown on the centre console and was shown in the 2014 MT Best Drivers Car Lap at Laguna but not in the lap from P1vs918 article. But charge itself does not tell you when speed is dying off, Vpeak on straights is the best measure of that. The speedo itself only shows when EV power is being used (bottom left) and drops to half when the front e-motor bugs out.

 

Cool, now you are sliding the blame to a 3rd party. Nicely done.

He didn't post his 'stuff' here. You are the one wanting to quote him and use his 'stuff' as your 'ammo', bible.

This is why you will be the one responsible, not him. Especially when you selectively quote him.

You only have his side of the story, there are numerous reasons why he wants to shed a better light on his P1 than how the magazine portrayed. Very understandable.

For myself, I got the whole picture through direct conversations from the Porsche side, Motor Trend's side plus casual observers that happened to be there that day too, not just forum posts. Plus I also read Ben's posts just like you did.


I had reminded you from the very beginning that you will lose. You could have saved yourself a lot of brain cells and embarrassment by calling it quit a long time ago. All you have is fantasies and twisted views, and incomplete pictures of stuff from youtube videos, or the selected posts from McLarenLife. You have to remember, McLarenLife is a McLaren fan site, when people post there, there will be a bias towards McLaren. This is Fchat, all these people cared are about Ferrari, they won't have a preference for neither Porsche nor McLaren, it's still Ferrari first. Youtube videos are just that, a snap shot of what people wanted to post, it may or may not have the completely background of the stuff posted, to phase it another way, there were no context as to how the youtube videos were filmed.

I also have no reason to be biased. Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, they are all sitting in the garage (well not quite the McLaren, it is not yet produced), why should I play favourite? If you must know, my favourite car to drive is the F12, the 2nd one is my Huracan Spyder and the 918 actually came 3rd, I actually parked it off site too. I am also waiting to spec my 720S, it will be in fire black but everything else is up in the air.

 

Ok, if you're talking taking West's post and "twisting" it, then i'd say you're probably misinterpreting his expression. If you're referring to the go kart track reference, then I dont want to put any words in his mouth since he's not on the forum to defend himself, and I'm not going back to THAT site, but I think he's saying tighter circuits. Ones like laguna sea, Sachsenring, and VIR(maybe). But tracks that dont have massive power stretches.

The 918 has been documented to go from 0-180 in 17.5secs. Thats about the same time the P1 is usually seen doing. So from an intranet/non-owner viewpoint, I find it hard to believe the P1 would constantly beat the 918 on every track. VIR would be a great place to settle every dispute, battery test, and overall handling disputes. IIRC, a member on here went there and did test all of them, but never posted the results.
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Yes, it shows it on bar graph, and % of Charge. Its also spot on. Whilst doing the SCD V-Max runs in Hot Lap mode each run would drain about 5-8%, then I would get a bit of re gen through the brakes. On the run back down to start line, about 1.5 Mile just switch from HL mode and by the time I would get back to the start line, I would have same or more % than when I started. Able to run like this all day until fuel ran out.

 

I recently spend some time in an F12 with a friend (he in my i8). It is such an amazing car. Best super GT ever made bar none. On an unrelated note he loved the i8, so there's that.

 

if its that fast it makes me wonder just how fast the AM-RB 001 and project one will be

btw Whoopsy do you know if any supercar owners you know have been invited to a client event/briefing of project one/RB 001?

 

Guys,
Claims sell cars, results makes all time legends!

 

Perhaps around 10, with a few already signed contract and paid deposit.

 

Sort of. The circle is only so big.

Everyone is basically a friend of somebody. So basically if I don't know someone, he/she would be friend of one of the friends that I already know. At worse it will be friend of a friend.

 

How do you think I feel? Nearly 100 pages of it from you and counting.

Who cares? If the 918 isn't recharged after a 5 minute pit and out lap, it's useless as a track car.

That isn't the full data from Laguna, even according to people who were there. Many 918 folk said they 'spent all day' trying to beat the 918 time. That doesn't gel with just 3 hot laps now does it.

So why wasn't it fully charged at the start of the lap on Sebring then?

Yes, a P1 can recharge a battery in 1 cool down lap of Silverstone, and then do 2 hot laps according to an owner.

 

If I'm quoting a third party, then why would I do anything else?

So, it's your position that if someone else has lied and I quote them in good faith, I'm at fault? Thank God you aren't regulating the press. And BTW, I see no evidence that he has lied, except the rantings of a confirmed fibber.

It should also be noted that the 918 in question at Laguna was from Porsche America, not a customer car.

Wow, you got the story direct from Porsche, must be true.

Well the person you're calling a liar, also owns a LaFerrari (yellow).