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'Official' F12M Rumours and Launch

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  1. Honken

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    The F12 Daytona and Monza could have been addressed for the TDF as we know it now. There is some other domain names but nothing that feels like it would belong to a car modell.
    The F14 Scuderia and Maranello may reference to the F1 car back in 2014 but I think it was called F14t.
     
  2. Red Sled

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    Both f12daytona.com and f12monza.com have been registered to Ferrari since 25 Jan 2012, predating the F12 launch. So not obviously connected to the M.
     
  3. Traveller

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    #2153 Traveller, Feb 10, 2017
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    Too obvious? Maybe setting a false hair running? They have such a box of history to choose from and logically would have registered everything. I bet there is an F12 GTO also?

    All I think is that it is likely there will be a 12 somewhere as I posted earlier, V12, F12, 12th Dimension........

    They must know by now as they need the logotype with the name for above the glove box which must take a bit. I'm going off Daytona as it is all seeming too obvious and you can guarantee Ferrari will surprise us.
     
  4. Lukeylikey

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    Hi Jag, we met at the 488 Spider launch last February and discovered we went to the same school, in the same year! Car's great, you'll love it.

    Cheers
     
  5. Brian L

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    They're listening. That's good :)
     
  6. Robert P

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    Thanks - it's going to be very difficult to say no!!
     
  7. MalibuGuy

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    Going back to possible names for this new Sports Car

    Since the engine is 6.5 liters what about 650 GT or 650 GTB or 650 Monza (or other city track name)
     
  8. Lukeylikey

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    I wondered about 650, but somehow I doubt it.... Even the design team supposedly don't know although speculated that F12 will not be in the name and likely neither will Daytona, which is not actually an official Ferrari name.

    6,500 / 12 = 542. Perhaps 540M for modificata or Monza?
     
  9. isot

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    Daytona Was an unofficial name although it was printed in the engine... The original name was 365 GTB/4. I see very likely an acronym like GTB or GTC... FF became GTC4Lusso. F12berlinetta could become GTB4Sport. Instead of 'sport' could replace with another evocative name
     
  10. CWL

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    I really liked the rear end of the original Berlinetta. Too bad its not flowing through. They will need to come up with something masterful to improve on it I think.
    TDF too aggressive a look for me, so the new F12M will be a fantastic upgrade if its elegant like the berlinetta.
     
  11. MalibuGuy

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    650? 540? 542?

    I just hope it won't remain New V12 Sports Car! Or LaV12! ;)
     
  12. Traveller

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    No way will there be a 4 anywhere near it. 4 was for 4 cam following on from the 275 GTB4 when that was advanced racing technology. 4 in the GTC4 Lusso was because it's a 4 seater whereas the original Lusso was 2.
     
  13. isot

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    GTB > Gran Turismo Berlinetta
    4 > Four steering wheels

    We will see :)
     
  14. DK308

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    The 650 name was discussed about 10-15 pages ago - or more. I'll say the same thing now as I said then. Why would Ferrari use a name McLaren have just used? No way.

    While the fact that Ferrari has bought some domain names could lead one to think the new name is the reason, there's also other reasons for Ferrari to acquire those domains. Themost important is simply to protect their brand. I'm sure if we searched around, we'd find they also owned a bunch of other domains with names that could be related to a Ferrari product. Having those domains simply gives Ferrari complete control over their brand.

    I believe that it was also discussed earlier than this entire thread, that Ferrari would not even use the F12 name for the new car. I know I suggested GTB4 Daytona some time before F12 Daytona was suggested and to me it still seems like a possible name. All that being said, I actually prefer Monza rather than Daytona now. I'd rather have a Ferrari with an Italian name than an American name. So now, my hope is GTB4 Monza.

    At any rate, Ferrari sure has done a great job of both make us excited about the new car and make us guessing about the new name. In a few weeks we'll know the name. I'm pretty impressed that they've managed to keep both the design and name out of the press at this point. Usually one or the other have leaked.
     
  15. MDEL

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    #2165 MDEL, Feb 11, 2017
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    Your guess that the F12M will be named after a city like for instance Monza is a good one and makes sense and it made me look at Ferrari historical of names in a bit more depth in order to see if there is at Maranello a possible logic line of thinking which could give us further clues. To help on this task I compiled the map below and arrived to the following basic conclusions:

    - AMERICA and SUPERAMERICA were the names used more often 6 times
    - Names of continents have been used 8 times.
    - Names of countries and regions have been used 6 times.
    - Names of cities have been used 9 times.
    - Names of racing locations have been used 7 times.


    For the model numbers Ferrari has followed for many years the logic of the cc. capacity of the unitary cylinders or the total cc. of the engine but the F12 didn’t follow that logic which means that they can surprise everyone again.
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    #2166 ingegnere, Feb 11, 2017
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    Thanks Scraggy.

    Disclaimer: pure speculation follows.

    So, I expect that the tunnels, or channels, front and rear will be used in lieu of 911 GT3 RS-style front fender gills and tdf-style rear fender vents or louvers, respectively, to bleed the higher pressure air from inside the wheel wells in a more elegant way and without any “unsightly” gills and cut-outs – apologies to GT3 RS and tdf owners ;-)

    As such, expect opening(s) in the wheel well ceilings which communicate with said channels. Openings are useful for the obvious reason of allowing air to flow to the channel but also because they reduce the surface area of the wheel well ceiling upon which the higher pressure can act, thereby further reducing lift.

    Because of the possibility of creating a pressure drop in the channel (if designed as a properly sized venturi) this could be more effective than simple vents to ambient air as in GT3 and tdf.
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  17. Scraggy

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    Amazing work -

    Front air comes from side of lights and mesh in bonnet behind lights if I recall. There are zero 'grills' of a type that you could eg specify in carbon. Mesh or painted apertures.

    Grill is tidy and does NOT have the TDF wings at side of lower front bumper. There is some detail there that one would put in carbon but its low key. More like a sill not a wing.

    Rear flank is like a very slim buttress like a miniature 599 effect. Entry where you show it in excellent picture and out at integrated spoiler.

    Result side profile a little like Daytona or 575SA. Back looks high and wide.

    From rear below half way down at back below spoiler is very Daytona.

    Terrific pictures.
     
  18. Honken

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    Great summarize!
     
  19. Honken

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    A perfect distance between the tire and fender arc is about thickness of a finger, 20mm. The air pressure in the tire will not affect the gap. A 20" tire will always be 20" at the side walls regardless of the pressure. Unfortunately Ferrari always sets the ride height to high except for LE cars like the TDF where it's perfect. Yes the springs is harder on the TDF which makes it possible to decrease the travel in the shocks. A know it's a trade-off but IMO a car with over 700hp should also have a wheel stance thats express the power of the car.
     
  20. Traveller

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    #2170 Traveller, Feb 11, 2017
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    Thanks Scraggy and more great work Ingeniere.

    Are you saying the flying buttress effectively feeds and exits the rear boot lid spoiler (A la DB11 with its Aero Blade) rather than the single grill and that therefore the single grill is to vent rear wheel arch air?
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  21. F2003-GA

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    Personally I would rather have a more compliant ride quality than a wheel stance - just saying
     
  22. Honken

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    They should have a four corner ride height settings that's linked to the manettino. So in race it lowers the car by 20-40mm on all corners and in sport it should be the comfort ride height that most drivers prefer.
     
  23. Scraggy

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    No it is located where the 599 one was but is much slimmer/shallower and longer exiting if I recall behind window. Barely noticeable.

    Back spoiler is a mere lip and not a big design feature.
     
  24. Red Sled

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    Tim, less a full width blade and more a slot on each side, in front of a sharply upturned spoiler.
     
  25. MDEL

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    Great drawing and thinking……...
     

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