Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Sachsenring yes. But then Sachsenring times are mainly about how much the driver decides to drive over the grass on corners from what I've seen, so obviously AWD is an advantage there.

Laguna Seca - yes. Slow corners, sandy surface, 91 octane.

VIR - Probably not. Long lap, bad for 918 battery, see Balocco. Also average speed - 94mph, faster than Portimao, so I see that as a more P1 track. And 2s faster than a 650S Spider on a 2:40 lap is hardly convincing is it?

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virginia-international-raceway-grand-east-course-post-01-2014

Now you're being silly, regardless of what's documented, the P1 is much faster than the 918 to 180mph. At Portimao, it's 5mph ahead at that speed on Corsas with a short shift into 5th at 105mph and 6mph ahead on Trofeo Rs.

No one has said the P1 would be faster on a single lap everywhere, just that the 918 tends to favour go-kart tracks in this regard, not F1 GP tracks. However, there's more to 'faster' than faster for 1 lap wrt track days and that's where the 918 comes undone according to race drivers who own all 3.

 

918 is also faster at that 20km "go-kart" nurburgring....LOL!

You have no experience

 

Faster than what? A 1751kg, 750ps Lambo on Corsas.... by 2s.

Well colour me impressed.

To me the Nurburgring, Balocco and VIR times are actually indicators of just how poor the 918 is on longer, faster tracks. 2s faster than SV on 'ring, slower than Performante, slower than Huracan on Balocco, 2s faster than 650S Spider on VIR. Those times are a long, long way from unbeatable, unless you consider the LP610-4 and 650S Spider to be the very fastest rivals. In fact they're an indication of why race drivers who own all 3 swear blind that the P1 is the fastest on track.

 

Faster than a P1.

P1 is slower than "A 1751kg, 750ps Lambo on Corsas"...embarassssingggg LOL!

You have no experience

 

Sure it is. You mean the car that the LT wipes the floor with on every track?

McLaren 675LT vs Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV - FastestLaps.com

Something about your argument just doesn't square up does it?

 

Sad your mighty P3 can't post a lap time at the ring. Nice try deflecting with the 675lt sport!

You have no experience

 

He'd be horrible at logic games.

P1 didn't perform well at the Ring. Instead of just recognizing this and also realizing that it doesn't matter one bit, he gets into this illogical nonsense argument: 918 is faster than SV at ring by only two seconds. 675 is faster than SV everywhere but the Ring. So 675 must be faster than 918 and P1 is faster than 675 so it must be much faster than 918 (head spinning yet?).

Instead, the logical person says, 675 crushes SV everywhere but the Ring and 675 is crushed by 918 everywhere including the Ring, so clearly something seems fishy with the SV Ring time.

Finally, what is his obsession with lap times? It's ridiculous. Unless the same driver drives each car at every track in the optimal way and in the exact same conditions then it doesn't mean a thing. Sebastian Vettel could likely drive a Honda Accord faster than I could drive Porsche 918 around the 'Ring. Does that make a Honda Accord faster than a 918? No. As boring as drag races can be, it's really the best judge how a car is faster than another because it requires little driver involvement. BTW... a 918 smokes everything in a half mile drag race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ1RhlWs4gE&t=610s

 

It's not a deflection, it's a statement of fact. LT >> SV. 918 > 2s > SV. Porsche never posted a 'ring video for the 997 GT2 RS either IIRC.

 

That's the problem, it is perfectly logical except your bias prevents you from recognising it.

Oh wow, the 918 beat a car 1/4 its price in one half mile drag race. Meanwhile, this 918 gets raped by 2 675LTs at COTA. Must be that old weight handicap thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ul3tEWJXp8

 

Didn't know you own a yellow LaFerrari Mycroft/Lieven/LMFAO. Wow, that's a shocker!

You are the only person I had ever called a liar. (Check that please, since you have a boat load of time, maybe you can dig out a specific post about that. Or maybe I was just implying you are a liar, but either way, the whole public internet knows what you are regardless)

Since you are a 3rd party, shouldn't you make sure the story is straight up first before quoting? Like all normal people do? Or you are just trying to deflect the blame now? Hmm.

And it is not just my position that you blindly quote someone and take things out of context to further your flawed arguments. It is actually the whole internet that thinks that way. Wonder if you are the only one correct or the only one wrong. My bet is on the later, so will every reader on the internet. And don't even talk about good faith, the whole internet knows you don't. All you faith is into painting the 918 as a vase inferior car to the P1.

And the said 918 was driven by David Donohue up and down the coast and across the continent as a demo. Many many hard miles on it than any customer car, it is not even close to pristine. And no work was done at the track either other than checking tire pressure. Oh before you next attempt at rebuffing, saying that was a souped up car, Porsche has never done that ever, unlike say McLaren or Ferrari. In any case, customer car is faster than that demo anyway, quite a few owners drove that car and then their own later on.

And yup, stuff I get from Porsche direct would be much much more accurate than whatever you can watch on youtube It shows, people on the internet actually believed me, same can't be said about your flawed theories from watching youtube. You ever wonder why?

Just witness the postings on this thread, had there ever been a single poster that come to your defence? But many jumped at the chance to refute your outrageous claims on every count. Not just the usual posters, but news ones too.

 

Is there any context as to how the video was filmed? Driver skills? Are they going 100%? Are they just lapping?

As usual, nope. But no, you prefer videos with no context just so you can apply them mindlessly to support your flawed arguments. We are not expecting anything less from you.

So say I give you a P1 to drive on a track, and then me asking Neal Jani or Mark Webber or Brandan Hartley or whoever that happens to be around to drive say my Cayenne Turbo S and raped you on the track? Should I post such video on youtube without providing the context and then brag about it to the whole world that a P1 is slower than a SUV?

Using your logic, that anything on youtube is true, then the result of a P1 losing badly to a Cayenne Turbo S on video posted to youtube has to be true. Will that mean such a video should be used as a bible for the whole world to judge a P1's performance?



Oh one more thing, I was busy and didn't post to the board in like a day and change or something, will you be now thinking that I lied somewhere and waited until it was 'exposed' again to post something? ))))))))

You are just too funny. And weird.

 

Hmm let me tryout that logic thing.

The P1 is faster than a 675LT, 675LT is faster than 918, 918 is faster than P1.

Or perhaps this? 918 faster than P1, P1 faster than 675LT, 675LT faster than SV.

Think that last one's logic make more sense. Unless the order is the other way around, 918 faster than 675LT, 675LT faster than P1, P1 faster than SV.

But then again that order doesn't make sense either, as it would seems the SV is faster than the P1 at the Ring, so a new order would be 918 faster than 675LT, 675 LT faster than SV, SV faster than P1.

But that doesn't quite make sense does it since the P1 is suppose to be faster than the 675LT.

So a new order:

918 faster than SV, SV faster than P1, P1 faster than 675LT.

Looks perfect now.


Oh wait there is one more, Huracan Performante! If it indeed post a faster time at the Ring than the 918, then the whole logic equation can be simplified to this:

Huracan faster than P1.

Done!

 

Hey look Mycroft/Lieven/LMFAO.

It's been 9 hours since I last posted. Perhaps I was trying to formula a lie to counter your lies? Are you thinking that way buddy?

Remember that Andrew Aquilante youtube video that you like to post and brag about how the 918 is shown to run out of juice not even lasting 2 laps?

Hate to break it to you, but the owner of the car drove the car to Sebring that day and they did 2 laps before starting to film, so that lap when it ran out of charge? It's the 4th lap, not the 2nd.

Told you youtube videos are pointless unless the context was known.
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Speaking of comparing fastest laps and GT laps,you should know that cars have twin personalities in different track conditions.430 Scuderia(1;18) was 2s slower than a hot hatch at tsukuba wet condition lapped in same day.So does that make the comparison invalid?CCR was also slower in wet track in a handling course.

So all GT laps says is that in that day,with that driver,in that weather,in that track condition P1 without trofeo was slower than other two cars.

Anyway even if fastest laps has historic tracks,it doesn't change the fact that Lieven introduced Sebring Short only to avoid putting it in the same leaderboard as other 2 cars.

 

You're calling me a liar for simply repeating what a LaF and P1 owner said. And for repeating what 2 people who own all 3 said.

I haven't stated anything they've said out of context, I linked their quotes directly precisely so you couldn't accuse me of that.

On the contrary, most seem to say the 918 is the better road car but not the fastest on track days.

The factory P1s have done many miles too, more than any customer car, but that doesn't make them customer cars.

 

According to you the 918 is so fast, a slight difference in driver shouldn't make any difference. And the cars were running around 2:20, which is definitely a good standard for COTA.

 

So how come his previous lap time read 5:00? If it can't recharge over 5 minutes, indicating a pit and out-lap, then it's useless. Sorry but the lap timer says that was its first hot lap. Good try though.

Reading his post I think it's you that's taking it out of context. He believes it was at full charge when they started, and they'd ran a couple of laps before it ran out of juice, which is true, it ran out on lap 2.
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Already stated why this isn't true.

1)The layout shown is clearly for the longer layout on that page.

2) The P1's lap time is invalid due to edit.

If either of these statements is false, then state which, otherwise your statement has no basis in fact.

 

1)The longer circuit is no longer used.Because cones are put in that part to indicate that layout isn't to be used.Also the track distance for the older circuit was wrong.

2)P1 video just had camera moved up.Also it wouldn't have significant effect on lap time like you claim.

I myself am a McLaren fan,so I would be happier if I could find video with faster time.
I also love the fact about how 675lt competes with it competitors.

The end.

 

1) What relevance does that have? The layout shown for that track configuration on that page was the longer one. If someone did a lap of Laguna, should I add the time to this page:

Laguna Seca (pre 1988) lap times - FastestLaps.com

or this one:

Laguna Seca (post 1988) lap times - FastestLaps.com

Get my point? If the page shows a different track layout to the one actually lapped, I can't add it to that page, but right now I can't add lap times anyway.

2) What? The video jumps to a different section of track at 2:53-2:54. Besides that, the driver isn't even a pro, so what relevance does it have either way?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVkwIQPvEt0

So in short, you think I'm biased because I didn't put the lap video on a track page that showed a different layout and because I think a lap time is invalid if it isn't a complete lap.

Meanwhile, no mention of Whoopsy who just tried claim that the 918 did 4 consecutive hot laps, 2 directly before the 2:13.66 lap, the second of which apparently came in at over 5 minutes, which is at least a minute slower than I could manage in a diesel Mondeo.

 

The track name of Sebring International is correct.If you want to add the larger circuit why not name it Sebring International 1998.That way it will be correct,besides what will be the point of adding that track with no lap times.There is no track named Sebrkng Short,so there itself you are wrong.Besides the map clearly mentions 17 corners,so it is indeed referring to newer track.

Anyway if you still want to move the lap times,all three should be moved.

I just won't continue to argue with a guy who thinks the people will drive through a route which isn't supposed(blocked or placing cone) to be used like the other guy(F40 LM/ Mcqueen) who I was talking to for Estoril circuit.

Regarding the comment by him,the driver did clearly say that they drove the car for few laps before filming the video.

Now the problems I have with you are the following
1.You don't verify the video correctly before claiming lap time.
2.You don't research if that particular vehicle was road legal or not like you did with Cayman GT4 according to Ghost's comment in mclife.
3.You always say P1 was on bad tires if it looses to 918.
4.How do you know that driver in the video was a pro or not?
5.Regarding Laguna seca the lap time should obviously be added to present if the test was conducted after 1988 and time should be added to present 1988 if the test was conducted before 1988.

 

Because the track diagram shown on that page was for the old layout. The new page I added was for the shorter, new layout.

There is no track named 'Portimao Short' either, but that's the terminology we use when Torre VIP is cut off. The terminology was derived from Hockenheim Short.

Yeah, they should, with the exception of the P1 time, which should be scrubbed because it wasn't a full lap, and relies on counting video time, which has proven incorrect in the past. But once again, I cannot add or remove lap times.

It's got nothing to do with what is or isn't blocked. Turn 7 is clearly marked at old hairpin turn on the track diagram on that page. Only the site admin can remove the diagrams, therefore a new page had to be added with the correct diagram. This should be really simple logic, I can't see why you're struggling with it.

Yes but not consecutively, look at the lap timer. Unless the 2nd of the alleged 4 laps took >5 minutes then they were not consecutive. The lap before the 2:13.66 is clearly an out-lap after a pit stop.
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/attachments/288gto-f40-f50-enzo-laferrari-sponsored-bradan/2357242d1486896488-ferrari-laferrari-vs-mclaren-p1-vs-porsche-918-liar1.jpg

1. Guilty.
2. I didn't add that lap time, I put it up for discussion. The comments did not list any mods.
3. Which is what two pro-level International GT Open drivers also say about Cup 2s vs Corsas. And it's not like Whoopsy doesn't cry foul whenever the P1 on Trofeos beats the 918.
McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - Page 3 - McLaren Life
McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - McLaren Life
McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - Page 2 - McLaren Life
McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - Page 2 - McLaren Life
4. Does he look like one? What's he wearing? Datalogger? Casually chatting during the lap.
5. Right, so should I add it to a page that shows the old track diagram? No, thank you. And again, I can't add lap times on FastestLaps anymore, see 1. for details.

As an aside, configurations are confusing. Take the 3.8km listed for Contidrom. There's no such thing. 3.63km is the longest configuration possible, yet magazines have stated 3.8km. There are therefore at least 36 lap times that are on the wrong page if you think I'm bad, all added by others. **** happens.
http://media.fastestlaps.com/85gnt01e1gnr
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/contidrom-3-63-km

Then you have the Auto Zeitung Test Track, which is Contidrom 3.63km, yet is added separately for historical reasons, because the testing site changed at some point. So it ain't just me, contributors have been getting this crap wrong en masse for years.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/autozeitung-test-track

 

Lol, how do you feel to be busted again?
How can you argue against your new God? He is clear:
1. It wasn't his first fast laps, so the clock is irrelevant at this case. Whether he has recorded something before that isn't known and doesn't matter at all.
2. He didn't know anything about what mode the car was, so very possible that HL wasn't disengaged the whole session, so extremely slow recharging...
3. He would have been even faster, if he started the video laps with full charge, according to his original comment on YT.

Imv, it's clear that 918 is capable of at least 2.5 hot laps at Sebring in full professional hands, which is more than enough, having in mind how long of track it is...

Another clear fact: it's time for you to burry these set of nicknames and start from clean sheet of paper again, haha Internet is easy in that respect and you know it

 

1. How can you seriously claim that the lap timer is irrelevant? That's a new low. 5 minutes is not a hot lap, sorry. Maybe they weren't his first hot laps, the other 2 were done before the 5 minute long pit and out lap.

2. Maybe it wasn't in HL Mode and still ran out of juice. Two can play the 'maybe' game.

3. Yes, but it ran out on the 2nd consecutive lap, as per the timer.

So is it 2.5 or 3.5? You two need to get your story straight. Should be simple enough to post the full video too.

Still waiting on an explanation for that 5 minute lap time guys.

 

If Sebring was in older layout total corners should be 15 not 17.But the newer chicane is undoubtedly faster so lap time should reduce by 3s according to lap times in simulators.

2.I was talking a out comments I read in mclife not fl.
3.By bad tires I mean worn out tires.
4.So just because he chit chats,doesn't have loggers,he isn't a pro driver.Yeah pro drivers don't have mouth to talk like the stig.
5.You misinterpreted what I said.I never said what you replied to,I only mentioned about the year.

Contidrom issue only happened because you guys didn't researched about the circuit,just blindly accepted what is written on a magazine as if they can't be wrong,not my fault.

And I never said you are bad,SV cheated at ring,P1 is a slow car or any other claims like that.But from your comments I get the impression that you are trying to make 918 look bad.