Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Dude, everyone can see you are the one who tries to fill in the blanks with your own imagination.

Where did I ever say it was 4 hot laps in a row? From the beginning, I had always just repeating what Andrew said, the car was driven there, did 2 laps before the recording. Andrew assumed the car was at full charge but he didn't check, so the car may nor may not have full charge during the 2 lap recording. That's it. That's all the background information we have, nothing more. But with this background information, it certainly paints a very different picture that you want everyone to believe, which is that a 918 with full charge can't last 2 laps at Sebring, which is a lie as Andrew just confirmed he didn't just do that recorded 2 laps, he had another 2 laps before the recording starts.

You are the only who tries to fill in that '5 mins', trying to justified your twisted logic. You are the one that thinks 5 mins equal pit. You do not know, but of course for things that you do not know you are always pretend to be 100% correct, which btw, nothing you claimed to be correct are actually proven to be correct, ever.

I describe how my own program doesn't always record time and data properly, and that perhaps this might be another case like that. And I never claimed his is definitely faulty.

And what's with you only quoting stuff out of McLaren Life? That's your bible too? LOL

Mr. Liar, I expect much more from you, please try harder, this is not even a challenge to expose you as a fraud.


Oh one more thing, if you think I am wrong and you are right, how come so many are engaged with you right now to prove you are a liar? And if you think I am wrong and you are right, have you wonder why these people don't engage me to refute my claims? Interesting observation isn't it? Could it be that everyone else also see it like I do, that you are a liar with twisted logic and living in a dream world?

 

I wonder how long this thread will continue, and totally derailed? Until 2020 or even further ;-)?

 

The issue is one of credibility. Owners of these cars, especially ones that regularly track them, or pro drivers that have driven these cars extensively, have real world knowledge of these cars that really add to snippets we learn from magazines or youtube.

Mycroft has absolutely no real world experience with these cars - and therefore has no credibility. I can string together youtube videos and come up with meaningless conclusions as well - but I prefer to hear the straight goods from owners and and other true experts.

 

Well those times are BS too. A GTR only a few tenths quicker than an Aston?

Nissan GT-R vs Aston Martin V12 Vantage S - FastestLaps.com

I guess they had to make it lose to the Z/28 but wait, even the 530ps GTR is faster.

Nissan GT-R vs Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 - FastestLaps.com

I still haven't even found the GTR and Z/28 lap times in that report, very badly written. Now, knowing that those times are pants, look at Alec Udell's 458 Speciale time.

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/h369ttthj71v

For some reason people in California just get weird times. I blame it on the high concentration of Clinton voters.

That's my point, just because there's an F1 driver driving, it doesn't mean he's going to be flat out.

 

Sadly true

 

There's no blank to fill in, the lap timer is giving lap times... duh. 5 minute lap is not a hot lap, it's a pit and out lap.

Over on McLife, you heavily implied 4 in a row. Why would you even mention non-consecutive hot laps in this debate when they're clearly irrelevant? Are you now claiming not to understand how these hybrid systems work in order to wriggle out yet again?

McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - Page 5 - McLaren Life

But like always, you will try wriggle out of it.

What else could explain a 5 minute lap time? A really slow lap? Either way the car begins those 2 laps at full charge.

 

Only according to you – the guy, who sits in front of the PC and watches YT videos…

According to a professional racing driver, who actually drove the car and knows all the background – the batteries most probably weren’t charged. FACT!

 

No he says he assumes they were fully charged when they started.

"The owner had driven the car to the track, so i assume it was fully charged."

They did 2 laps, then the lap timer indicated a pit, with the associated in lap and out lap, then the 2 hot laps in the video. That is the only logical way of interpreting the information, no other explanation fits all the facts.

"But Sebring is a long track and we had ran 2 laps before that and ran out of juice."

So 2 laps, ran out of juice, in lap, pit, out lap (5:00) and the two in the video.

Even Whoopsy has back-tracked on claiming 4 consecutive laps.

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/58306-mclaren-p1-vs-porsche-918-spyder-both-trofeo-r-tyres-5.html#post1315858

So if we're all in agreement that those laps weren't consecutive with the ones in the video, they are irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion.

 

According to a professional racing driver, who actually drove the car and knows all the background – the batteries most probably weren’t charged. FACT!

 

We can be in agreement in only one thing – neither Whoopsy, no I ever said, that they are consecutive! WE SAY, THAT ACCORDING TO THE DRIVER, THE BATTERIES BEFORE 2.13 LAP MOST PROBABLY WEREN’T FULLY CHARGED! OK?

 

Where does he say that in his post? Nowhere, you're making stuff up.

I know after an in lap, a pit and an out lap, or even 1 recharge lap, a P1 would be fully charged. So either the P1 recharges much faster than the 918, playing it your way, or it can hot lap for longer. Your choice, either way you lose.

 

If the laps weren't consecutive, then it should have been fully charged, unless it's really bad at recharging relative to the P1 because a P1 would be fully recharged.

McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - Page 11 - McLaren Life

So which is it?

a) 918 can do less hot laps in HL Mode than P1; or

b) 918 takes longer to recharge than P1.

And no, the driver did not say that the batteries probably weren't fully charged, he said the exact opposite, but also confessed to not knowing anything about the hybrid charging system.

"The driver drove the car to the track, so I assume the batteries were fully charged."

His words yes?

 

What will happen with your stupid theory, if he did something very trivial?

1. His friend gave him his 918;
2. He did some learning fast laps (charging/discharging to unknown state);
3. Came into the pits (still discharged to unknown state) for whatever reason (taking his passenger, taking his equipment, whatever…
4. Went back to track driving fast (charging/discharging to unknown state) again and started recording at the end of the 1km. back straight…

These guys are at the track to enjoy themselves and to explore these cars, not to brake them and explore endurance capabilities. You want to be the last, but in real life things are different…
Just an idea…

Aside from the “if” game - ACCORDING TO THE DRIVER, THE BATTERIES BEFORE 2.13 LAP MOST PROBABLY WEREN’T FULLY CHARGED! FACT!

 

The link you provided takes me to a thread about Salomondrin's P1 vs 918 test, not Harris tire test. I can't be bothered to look through all those pages for it either. I'm pretty sure though that a lot of "drivers" in this thread have validated Harris tire test, so where does that put us? He said - she said?

As for the skill of the drivers:

Sane person - This one guy isn't a particularly good driver compared to pro drivers, here are the facts and the proof of that.
Lieven - His actual skill is irrelevant, factory drivers are usually regarded to be really fast so let's ignore reality and assume that he's really fast.

Sane person - This one guy is a former F1 driver, he must be a really good driver.
Lieven - He sucks because I saw a 1sec clip of him missing a corner in my favourite car! Lets put a magnifying glass over his entire career so that I can prove that he's a poor driver and that my favourite car would have been faster with another driver!! (but the other cars wouldn't be faster with a better driver of course, because special pleading)

and there we have it, again. When I said that K-egg driver had never been on either Suzuka nor Spa you barely even acknowledged it, yet now you use it as an argument yourself.
You really should write a list of arguments that are only valid when you use them, that way we'd save a whole lot of time.

Regarding your opinion/arguments being labelled crazy.. have you read any of the other comments in this thread besides your own?

 

The driver never said that anywhere. Please quote where he says that 'the batteries probably weren't charged'.

So he flew into the pits without an in lap and ignoring the pit lane speed limit? Very bad for any car that. Who has no experience now?
McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - Page 11 - McLaren Life

Then he flew straight out, again ignoring the pit lane speed limit of this half mile long pit lane, on cold tyres and straight up to hot lap pace without acclimatising to a new car?

Something in your theory just does not stack up.

 

Which contains lots of comments from actual drivers about Cup 2s, Trofeos and Corsas. Read it, you might learn something. All you have to do is search on those 3 terms, not read the whole damn thing. But here's a starter for ten.
McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - McLaren Life
McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - McLaren Life
McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - McLaren Life

Oh, you'll like this one.
McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 Spyder (both on Trofeo R tyres) - Page 2 - McLaren Life

F1 drivers are good but they don't always go flat out during these PR events. Case in point.
Goodwood Hill climb lap times - FastestLaps.com

There's no gauging how hard he tried or familiarity with track. Of course it could be settled by actually having the full unedited laps, and given the amount of debate around this you'd think they'd have released them by now.

 

"pit late speed limit", lol
You are at the bottom, if this is your new theory...

Look, for the moment only several people here mock with you in their free time. Better stop until it isn't too late, because you will look like a clown in front of the whole audience... again...

Just a friendly advice...

 

To save you from even more embarrassment, here is the relevant text that you want to twist.

Where did I say or even heavily implied it was 4 consecutive laps again? You are the one that thinks it's 4 consecutive laps, I just say it was the 4th lap. 2 before recording, and the 2 recorded, just as how Andres described. Dude, 2+2=4. Simply math. He never told me either way whether they were consecutive or not

So you want to back track now Mr. Liar?
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Only from McLaren Life? Do you even have 3rd party references?

Where is the DNF of a P1 on the Hill Climb board? You know, the one that a P1 famously didn't make it up the hill on electric alone?

 

You mean this?

This is so much fun.

I think I am quite enjoying executing you in public, destroying your non-existent creditability slowly one step at a time.
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Looking at his comments in FL recently,don't you think that he is trying to regain his credibility and become a contributed once again?

 

Right so he drove down the pit lane full whack, and was flat out on the out and in lap? That's your new theory?

 

'Possible' is not definite and he has already confessed to not knowing anything about hybrid recharging. So you were effectively expecting someone to give a definite answer about something they know nothing about? So of course his answer is 'yes', because a 'no' would require him to fully understand the hybrid system.
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/attachments/288gto-f40-f50-enzo-laferrari-sponsored-bradan/2357207d1486889298-ferrari-laferrari-vs-mclaren-p1-vs-porsche-918-andrew-.jpg

If he pitted and did an in or out lap, drove down the pit lane at the speed limit, the battery was fully charged, or the 918 has a really poor recharging system.

Next time just ask him if the video begins at the end of an out-lap after pitting and put up the question and the answer, rather than asking him vague questions that leave you a way out. Then we can leave this debate to rest. Although the lap timer already answers this question.

 

If the laps weren't consecutive, why mention it, it's irrelevant. Only consecutive laps are relevant. Why not mention how many miles are on the odometer too. Classic strawmanning.

 

Two of those guys own 918s and LaFs. How about you, do you own a P1 or LaF? Or do you have 'no experience'.