Pedestrian safety regulations have necessitated that many cars today have similar front profiles. Beyond the height of the bonnet and the fact both are cars I can't see any other resemblance Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I don't think so. Not quite. As Cesman says the fronts of many sports cars are going to be similar if you look for it for legislation reasons. If you then add in aerodynamic, cooling and downforce requirements, a large displacement front engine car is bound to have some similarities, it is just where designers are almost forced to go.
You did so well, but as pointed out at the time, the front overhang was just a bit too much. Mind you if you had got that right as well, no point in Ferrari releasing their images!
It's really a pain going between the 2, so you gents decide if we go with 2 threads or 1.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
in my opinion this comparison makes the Corvette look dated due to its sharp lines and overall design, where even the F12 by comparison still looks current. As already mentioned here, the "computer generated" pictures are never Ferraris' best but are also intentional to spark our emotions and overall debate on whether the latest model introduced is worthy of being considered the greatest Ferrari has to offer in terms of design and technology...again simply, in my opinion as always, it definitely is. P.S - I can't wait to see actual pictures and the vehicle in person. Marco.
I must say the F12 looks much better to my eye..but i was expecting this to be so..the F12 was such a beautiful and clean design that it was almost certain the "evolution2 wouldn't result so well. The erar is way too busy for me and the car loses the grace and elegance from his older sister.....lately Ferrari design deems to be going backwords, more dramatic and less purity...a bit like when they did the Testarossa...
+1 Classic beats modern so so... Superfast is a pretty name with some association to the history, 812 is none. Correct would be 650 Superfast. And the testarossa is purist styling in every point of view.
One thing is for certain any vehicle and specially an elaborated Ferrari like the 812 Superfast can only be truly evaluated when you see it alive having the real perception of all the design curves and nuances as well as the paint color reflexes which fotos and renders can never transmit faithfully. At first impulse I liked the newcomer and it looks a very good and thoughtful evolution of the F12 which maintains the original character. The only thing I can't figure for the moment are the wheels, I can't explain why but I sense a kind of asymmetry that my mind wasn't able to resolve yet.
Some random thoughts. (now wondering if I should have posted this in the pics thread??) First thanks to Traveller for starting the thread and posting the first pictures. And thanks to everyone for contributing to a very entertaining and interesting thread! We had some great discussions and the drawings by ingenue were really outstanding! I also think Ferrari Styling Centre must have worked really hard on this car and even if some of us love it or hate it we should acknowledge that. To design a new Ferrari must be a monumental task. And I think is even harder when the model you are replacing is as beloved as the F12berlinetta. For my part, I usually need time to warm up to a new Ferrari design. I think that's because the design has to look good for a long time and Ferrari always pushes forward. Sometimes change takes time to understand. The only times that did not happen for me were with the F430, 599 GTB and F12b. I just knew I liked them right away. I can see the potential with the 812, especially in the right colors, but its clear to me that I will need some time. I think the best colors will be shades on the scale from white to black and then darker colors. I think bright colors are probably not the best choice for this car, but I would have said the same for the F12b. I think the 812 in black would look downright mean! Overall, the 812 is obviously more sporty but also little less elegant than the F12b, just as we thought it would be. I agree with Millano that they have replaced the PF femininity and subtly with some Germanic precision (great choice of words there Millano!) and even some American muscle. As I most appreciate elegance in a car like this, to me these are not the most welcome changes. But I appreciate the fact that we don't all share the same design sensibilities. It would be a boring world if that were true! And the caveat that I have not seen it in person. Its hard to judge a 3 dimensional object before you've seen it in 3 dimensions. When you do see it in person, then viewing a 2 dimensional photo works because your mind fills in the details you recall from the in person viewing. And especially based on these early photos which are photoshopped and the car is sitting too low on the tires etc. As to individual elements, Ill start with the rear... Rear View- I think this will be the most controversial part for many people, and its the part I like least. Interestingly enough, at first viewing, I had the most questions on the F12b rear T design. But it has grown on me and now I appreciate its Kamm tail look. I like how it leads the eyes both forwards along the flanks and down to the exhausts and the massive tires. So time will tell if I grow to apprecaite the 812's more squared off and tough looking rear. My initial reaction is it treads too closely to the current Corvette rear end. I think the 4 lights plus the side vents that frame the rear end make it look harder and busier. I also think the body color diffuser does not help things. It just adds visual bulk. This can easily be resolved by going with the standard color, or doing the diffuser in CF. The rear is my least favorite part of the new car. Side View- My preferred viewing angle of the 812 currently. I think this is the most successful implementation of the sideways "Y" concept they premiered on the F60 America. The side profile does recall the 365 GTB/4 ("Daytona"). It's a bit heavier looking than the F12b, which always reminded me of the 275 GTB long nose and /4 from the side. (Between those I like the 275 a little better). I've had a few friends comment that the side view is too "Lexus". I think they are seeing many of the lines on display, there are several. I think the FSC walked right up to the edge of too many lines, but they did not cross over it. I'm also glad they did not put such a high pinch line on the rocker panel/ side sill right before the rear wheel. This pinch in has become more and more prominent and it helps to make the car look more dynamic at rest, but I feel it went a little too far on the GTC4 and then SP 275 and was worried where this might end up. Front View- I think the air intake area looks a little bit large- but I would have said the same thing about the F12b front and now I think it looks great, so I bet this will grow on me over time. It seems they adjusted the aero bridge concept so it now uses those vents by the headlights to channel the air to the side vents. I think it's a little bit tougher looking but I also think this resolves one of the only problems with the F12b design, from a ¾ front view your eyes would follow the scallop in the hood to the side of the car where you expect it to fall away, but you see the side of the aero bridge... a little awkward, but then, the F12 is so beautiful that you forgive it. The 812 doesn't have that as much, if you look closely it looks like they still have a little bit of an aero bridge on the side but its much reduced and we will need more photos to know for sure. However, in its place we have those front vents and the hood looks like it doesn't have as much scalloping. Though there seems to still be some amount of wheel arch bulge on the hood, which is a detail I've always appreciated on the F12b. To Roma1280's point about the headlight, I agree, I don't love that "teardrop" element, but it seems tied into the area where the hood vents are. Interestingly I've heard "Tesla" and "Jaguar-F type" for the front of the car. I see a little bit of the Jag but not really the Tesla. Of course, we all see things differently. One interesting thing if you look at the side of the lower part of the front bumper it has a similar profile to that on the F12b! And I'm glad they resisted the TDF style winglets here and the side view. They would be out of place on the standard version of the V12. Wheels View- I think fantastic- I love the twisted classic tuning fork design and I also love they did not show them in black! I'm a full member of the no black holes society! Interior View- My reaction is the same when I saw the 488 from 458: updated but also less whimsical/ artistic. I like the more artistic and even architectural look of the 458 interior, but I think this time to the F12b its a closer call. The biggest change to my eyes is the instrument binnacle actually slants away from the driver at the bottom. Very interesting. Name- Very interesting. At first I thought I loved it, I mean, 812 for 800 CV and 12 cylinders. (800CV= 788hp) and then Superfast- who doesn't love the words "super" and "fast" in a Ferrari name? And indeed, I have been privileged to see a 1964 500 Superfast on the road being properly driven, I thought: magnificent. BUT then I stopped to think about this a bit more. I am a bit of a traditionalist on nomenclature... The name "Superfast" was applied to super elegant cars for royalty and VIPs. Not for the regular production cars. Now, of course, any Ferrari is special. BUT, there are the production Ferraris, and then the super special models, like the TDF and so on. It seems to me they have either willingly or accidentally missed the history on this. So, just as I have a hard time calling the GTC4 anything but "GTC4" as I think the "Lusso" really belongs to a super elegant 2 seater; I really cannot call this car "Superfast". For me it will be the "812". History and heritage are very important in the Ferrari world so I think it's important to bring up these points. However, you could say I am simply focusing too much on these elements and lets just enjoy this 788hp monster! I wouldn't say you are wrong, simply that I have my point of view. Bottom Line- Overall, like many, I am eager to see and learn more. But sitting here right now I am very very very very glad I have my F12b to my spec sitting in my garage, and am feeling very very very fortunate that I have a spot on my dealer's list for the 812....
Excellent write up Caeruleus11. Your last paragraph touches a nerve with me. I nervously waited for today knowing that I have an incoming F12b in build and an 812 order too for 2019. I thought today would be bitter sweet and that the 812 might take the shine of my F12 order. But I think the two cars are sufficiently different and still think the F12b looks so stunning and marks the end of a great era perfectly. Soon, like you I'll be able to enjoy the F12b for a couple of years, meanwhile with the help of this wonderful forum deciding what colour and spec of 812 I'll go for. Aren't we lucky!
Overall I like the design (exterior and interior) and the name of the new 812 Superfast. Only the shape of the front lights look weird to me. They could have been designed better. But first I want to see this car in person at the Geneva Motor Show to convince myself. Maybe then I will change my opinion about the front of this car which I didn't liked from the beginning!
Good to see a real photo, thank you. As hard as I try I'm not liking the wheels at all. Almost look like they have tried too hard but they conflict with the body design to my eyes.
I suppose not, too expensive 😝 Last Ferrari regarding this little exclusive detail was the 348, what a pity...
Never liked directional rims on any car. Standard F12B rims with the CF central wheel hub are spot on.
